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securespark · 27 May 2020

Does anyone remember the economy tests BL did with a Monty Perkins Diesel at 30mph?

Ihavenojob · 27 May 2020

andy11 said:
Cyclists do pay tax - they pay income tax, VAT, council tax and various other taxes which are no different from road tax as they all disappear into the same black hole.

Most car users pay income tax,vat,council tax. These taxes are not the same as as road tax .Had some MAMIL spouting that he paid road tax on his car so he shouldn't have to pay for his push bike. In that case, I have paid for my car so I shouldn't have to pay for my motorbike (if I still had one).

Munroast · 27 May 2020

johnny2007 said:
Biggest bollocx on this thread.
Driving at 30mph uses a lot more fuel than 50mph for example.
If you ever get in a car, look out for mpg instant reading and ask the driver to go at 20, then 30, then 40 and then 50mph.
You'll be surprised.
Also, as Audi has been mentioned, some of their big engines, especially the V6 use less fuel at 70mph than 50mph.

I have actually done that test in the past, 5 mile flattish road that I regularly travel on, used cruise control and calculated fuel used at 5mph increments between 35 and 60. There was no surprises, 35 used the least 60 used the most. The one interesting finding that I did note was being in the correct gear was very important, for instance being in lower gear even when engine rpm seemed a little high produced better results (but that is just an engine design issue)

It is utterly ludicrous to suggest increasing speed will use less energy (try riding a bike to understand wind resistance). May be there is some anomaly in cars that are designed to hit 200mph, but if that is true (and I doubt it) then that is down to stupid design. If a vehicle was to be designed where only fuel economy was important and journey time did not matter, then I suspect they would design vehicles around the 15 to 20mph range.

Munroast · 27 May 2020

johnny2007 said:
How many years have you been in lockdown???
Nowadays as soon as road tax expires you get a penalty and if your car is parked at the registered address, a clamp with £1000 release fee.
To avoid road tax you would need to drive someone else's car but they'll be fined, or a sorn car which will alert the anpr of the first police car you cross.

It is not a road tax, it is a tax purely on pollution, the less polluting the less you have to pay, with electric cars, horses, bicycles and shanks pony you do not have to pay anything.

ajohn · 27 May 2020

Stop start driving uses most fuel. Best fuel consumption at a constant speed is usually 56mph.

The biggest irritation with driving on busier roads these days is various types of selfish pigs.

Ihavenojob · 27 May 2020

Munroist said:
It is not a road tax, it is a tax purely on pollution, the less polluting the less you have to pay, with electric cars, horses, bicycles and shanks pony you do not have to pay anything.

What about pre 1980 cars ? Surely they create a lot of pollution , but pay no road tax.

IT Minion · 27 May 2020

Ihavenojob said:
What about pre 1980 cars ? Surely they create a lot of pollution , but pay no road tax.

Negligible as there are so few of them on the roads and do so few miles. I'm all for taxing them but it doesn't seem to be worth the time and effort.

durhamplumber · 27 May 2020

ajohn said:
The biggest irritation with driving on busier roads these days is various types of selfish pigs.

Agreed. And life in general.

IT Minion · 27 May 2020

Ihavenojob said:
Most car users pay income tax,vat,council tax. These taxes are not the same as as road tax .Had some MAMIL spouting that he paid road tax on his car so he shouldn't have to pay for his push bike. In that case, I have paid for my car so I shouldn't have to pay for my motorbike (if I still had one).

VED, vehicle excise duty, isn't nearly enough to pay for the road network. It's estimated at around £6.5 billion last year. Expenditure was around £8.5 billion (here)

So given its just another tax then anyone who buys a packet of cigarettes is paying for the roads. VED is just a way to raise revenue in an almost fair way.

If you want people to pay a tax for the right to own or use a bike, just because, then that's your choice. But It'd reduce the amount of people cycling which is the opposite of what the country as a whole want.

johnny2007 · 27 May 2020

IT Minion said:
But It'd reduce the amount of people cycling which is the opposite of what the country as a whole want.

Does the whole country want more bicycles on the road?
Make me a -1

IT Minion · 27 May 2020

johnny2007 said:
Does the whole country want more bicycles on the road?
Make me a -1

You're in the (fairly large) minority then

Nevertheless, a majority of Britons (69%) – across all age groups – want the government to try to get more people on bikes.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2013/08/16/path-to-cycling-revolution

Which according to Brexit rules means you need to shut up and accept it (

).

Nozzle · 27 May 2020

Ihavenojob said:
What about pre 1980 cars ? Surely they create a lot of pollution , but pay no road tax.

If we look at the amount of pollution across the total life of a car, much of it is in the production. This makes car scrappage scheme the biggest green-washed red herring about. There's only one thing more polluting than driving about in a car - and that is scrapping it to buy another.

Nozzle

motorbiking · 27 May 2020

durhamplumber said:
Yes...by you...speed limits are for safety not fuel economy

not true.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/roads-circulars/current-roads-circulars

Policy changed in 1997 from speed limits being set according the 85th percentile of vehicle speed (i.e. the speed that the majority choose to drive, with only the minority 15% being considered too fast).

It now reflects a much broader set of objectives including social engineering (encouraging walking and cycling etc).

johnny2007 · 27 May 2020

IT Minion said:
You're in the (fairly large) minority then

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2013/08/16/path-to-cycling-revolution

Which according to Brexit rules means you need to shut up and accept it ( ).

69% of Britons...
I was never asked and never had right to a vote, so doesn't compare to brexit referendum.
In fact, these surveys are very similar to the residents' survey about imposing parking charges managed by parking cowboys on private land.
Somehow the residents opposing such schemes are never contacted, royal mail seems to select their mail and burn it.
Microsoft seems to be doing the same with emails.
And then they come up with: 90% of YOU wanted this.

johnny2007 · 27 May 2020

Nozzle said:
If we look at the amount of pollution across the total life of a car, much of it is in the production. This makes car scrappage scheme the biggest green-washed red herring about. There's only one thing more polluting than driving about in a car - and that is scrapping it to buy another.

Nozzle

Post of the century!

200 mph

durhamplumber

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