200 mph

69% of Britons...
I was never asked and never had right to a vote, so doesn't compare to brexit referendum.
True enough.
In fact, these surveys are very similar to the residents' survey about imposing parking charges managed by parking cowboys on private land.
Somehow the residents opposing such schemes are never contacted, royal mail seems to select their mail and burn it.
Microsoft seems to be doing the same with emails.
And then they come up with: 90% of YOU wanted this.
If you can find anything that implies otherwise I'd like to see it. It's also not a PR move, YouGov is probably as close to neutral as we can get for a polling organisation.
 
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If we look at the amount of pollution across the total life of a car, much of it is in the production. This makes car scrappage scheme the biggest green-washed red herring about. There's only one thing more polluting than driving about in a car - and that is scrapping it to buy another.

Nozzle
Not entirely, there's different types of pollution. The two big ones are CO2 and PM2.5. For conventional petrol cars the production process is only around a fifth of the total emissions of CO2. I've no sources on particulates but I'm guessing it'd be less and also away from city centres where they do so much lung damage.

Electric cars have a higher production cost in CO2 terms but massively lower (and steadily reducing) running emissions. They also produce much less over the lifespan of the car.

If you want to reduce the emissions of cars then you should scap the petrol and diesel ones as early as possible and replace them with electric cars.
 
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If we look at the amount of pollution across the total life of a car, much of it is in the production. This makes car scrappage scheme the biggest green-washed red herring about. There's only one thing more polluting than driving about in a car - and that is scrapping it to buy another.

Nozzle
this can depend upon many factors, if we are looking at particular matter or NOx for cars used in urban areas then what price do you put on peoples health? it is estimated 40,000 people a year die in the UK from respiratory illness that was brought about through air pollution.

As for the CO2 global warming angle; it depends upon how many miles you do and the difference in economy between what is being bought and scrapped.

Take an average type car that creates about 8 ton on CO2 during production.

if the old car got 30mpg and the new got 50mpg then pay back would be about 55,000 miles
if the old car got 40mpg and the new got 50mpg then pay back would be about 150,000 miles

So really important for high mileage drivers, but less so for people like me who do about 4k per year and rarely go into urban areas.
my van gets 60mpg if i could replace it with one that got 70mpg, then it would take about 77 years to pay back production co2 emissions
 
Come the revolution, when we all switch to electric, MPG data wont be so important. In EVs the different between caning it and driving economically can make about 30-50% fuel economy. Where as a combustion engine can be 2-300% different
 
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Policy changed in 1997 from speed limits being set according the 85th percentile of vehicle speed (i.e. the speed that the majority choose to drive, with only the minority 15% being considered too fast)
Never mind the waffle...speed limits are for safety.
 
I know they do. I was just pointing out the absurdity of transam's argument...

What's absurd about it

They use a bike on the road than pay some sort of tax in order to do so

Fact that it may have been abolished in 1930

Some thing us neither here nor there imo

Insurance should be compulsory as well

Paying vat income tax etc has nowt to do with it
 
Classics are exempt and rightly so

Some of us are not part of the throw away

Economy

Plus the vechles do very little mileage
How about low milage cyclists? They should be exempt too, but let's face it they'd all just be zero rated like other low or zero emission vehicles
 
How about low milage cyclists? They should be exempt too, but let's face it they'd all just be zero rated like other low or zero emission vehicles

Er no

Went past a cyclist going the other way today there must have been a 20 car tail back behind him

And what was he doing?

Nothing of consequence were as all. The motors behind him who. Incidentally pay road tax to be there

Were trying to do. There jobs / work

Whilst this bloke is on some jolly

Incidentally caravans should also. Be banned off the road between the hours of 6 am and 10 pm

:LOL:
 
Er yes. Probably just a load of people checking their eyesight.

I say we jack the prices on VED up so they cover their costs. If it goes up by a third across the board then it stops non drivers having to subsidize them.
 
The batteries in electric vehicles wont last for ever. Making those and the cars will not have a zero carbon footprint. Replacing all fuel usage with electricity needs and unbelievable amount of it. A conventional car may have a range of 300miles or more at motorway speeds. Trying to replace that with electric isn't that simple.

The higher range stuff coming out now uses lithium variant cells. Statistics are likely to suggest that most peoples usage can be covered by a range of something like 50miles at urban speeds which will include a stop start driving. Electric is good as that but not so good as heating in the winter months or cooling in the summer.

These are not guesses as I spent several years working on them. Figures will be something like that.

Gov noises about charging points suggest they do see some of the complications and may see them initially at least as a means of commuting. They are also aiming to deBeeching the railways. They know that for a variety of reasons people are likely to need to use them more.

In short - some indications that they don't see people using private vehicles that much at all. Trams etc in cities. Park and drive etc. Keeping fuelled engines out of cities reduces pollution enormously all on it's own.

Get on your bike or e scooter - see what happens when we get a rainy week and in winter.

:( Only good sign is hybrids with higher range and more efficient engines shortly. :) Just leaves the problem of keeping warm in winter etc. Suppose they could be insulated with 250mm of rock wool with zero ventilation and triple glazed windows etc.

Anyway what ever the UK does short term we will continue importing from polluters.
 
Hydrogen vechles may be the way to go in Particular large commercials

JCB have built hydrogen buses a few are in service
 
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