Advice on a spur socket off the ring main

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I’ve wall mounted a TV and wanted to put a double socket behind the TV. I planned on taking a spur from a socket on the same wall so will run the 2.5mm T&E from the socket through the safe zones to the new spur. The cable run will be 2.4m and the existing socket is definitely not a spur as it has two cables. I only plan to run the TV and a Sky mini box from the spurred socket. Am I permitted to do this as a homeowner? The more I research this the more confused I got. Thanks in advance.
 
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Yes, there are of course issues and some regulations to follow, but keeping it simple answer is yes. In Wales in a kitchen to follow the rules it would cost more to DIY than to get a scheme member to do the work, but answer is still yes.
 
... the existing socket is definitely not a spur as it has two cables.
To be strictly correct, that is not a guarantee - two cables could theoretically mean that it is a spur which already (non-compliant with regs!) has another 'spur' taken from it. It could also be a radial circuit (not a 'ring', at all) but, even if that were the case, what you propose would be OK.

Provided you are 'competent', you are certainly allowed to do the work as a homeowner - and, particularly given the purpose of the new socket, what you are proposing would seem fine.

Kind Regards, John
 
This socket is not a spur as it was part of the original ring main when me moved in as a new build 20 years ago.
 
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This socket is not a spur as it was part of the original ring main when me moved in as a new build 20 years ago.
Fair enough - I was merely pointing out ('for completeness') that the presence of two cables is not an absolute guarantee that a socket is not a spur! All seems well with your proposal, then.

Kind Regards, John
 
Fair enough - I was merely pointing out ('for completeness') that the presence of two cables is not an absolute guarantee that a socket is not a spur! All seems well with your proposal, then.

Kind Regards, John
I get that and appreciate you taking time to reply
 
When I had mothers house rewired my instructions were all sockets to be on the ring final so I can extend, but I found a number which were spurs. Just because original does mean part of ring final or wired correctly, you need to test before adding to the system that all is OK, but I wanted to restrict answer to question as much as I could.

There is a law called in most of UK Part P, it does change between England and Wales, so although same name what your allowed to do without notifying the LABC varies, and it is not very well written, so up to you to decide if you need to pay for a bit of paper, it does not make the installation any safer having the bit of paper, all it was claimed to do was make it easier to prosecute when people get things wrong, but unless some one is injured as a result of what you do, no one is really interested, they may ask for paperwork if you sell the house, but the way it is issued through the post, it really is worthless.
 
There is a law called in most of UK Part P, it does change between England and Wales, so although same name what your allowed to do without notifying the LABC varies ...
What the OP proposes would not be notifiable in any room in England, and, in Wales, would only be notifiable if in a kitchen.

Kind Regards, John
 
What the OP proposes would not be notifiable in any room in England, and, in Wales, would only be notifiable if in a kitchen.

Kind Regards, John

What about if it were in Scotland? Out of interest.
 
To be strictly correct, that is not a guarantee - two cables could theoretically mean that it is a spur which already (non-compliant with regs!) has another 'spur' taken from it.

Wasn't it once allowed in the distant past, a single extra spur, from a socket which was already a spur?
 
What about if it were in Scotland? Out of interest.
Sorry, Dunno. England and Wales use variants of a common law, but (as with most legal things) Scotland is totally different - and ' mystery' to everyone outside of Scotland :)

Kind Regards, John
 
Wasn't it once allowed in the distant past, a single extra spur, from a socket which was already a spur?
Non of my regulations allow it, however in the days of 7/0.029 it was 2.9 mm² and a fuse was 30 amp, so that would be same as around 26 amp with 2.5 mm² which is over the rating for the cable in most cases, but not to same extent, also there are cable types, even with plastic with have thermal plastic and thermal setting cable, thermal plastic rated normally at 70°C and thermal setting at 90°C in the main with twin and earth the latter was white sheaf with former grey but not all the time, so with 7/0.029 thermal setting it may have been allowed and with 7/0.036 at 4.52 mm² it would not really have been a problem.

However even on the ring final 2.5 mm² can be over loaded near the origin, and once you take a spur from a spur you as said can in the future think it is a radial and extend, well it is of course a radial once more than one socket is fitted, so if you want more that one socket it should have a 13 amp fuse.

As to complying with a previous edition this is hard, as in the main we don't have that previous edition to refer to, so shower in a bedroom in days of 16th edition can you now find the rules? I still remember the rules, and in essence they have not changed, but it stated no socket within 3 meters of shower, but 14th edition I have an old guide, and before that only hear say, so pre 1966 no earths to lights, and a distance for socket to a sink, which I am told was never removed from plumbing regulations.

Dads house many spurs from spurs, seems 1954 when built it had 6 sockets on the ring final compared with granddads house with two that was good, but it was extended and extended and when all removed for re-wire did find some clearly stressed cables all were 2.5 mm, non of the 7/0.029 showed any signs of being overloaded.
 
If anyone can think of any difference between having two single sockets and one double, I should be very interested.

Also, with all the nonsense talked about the load a double socket can handle, any reason why two singles is not, in fact, better.


Not to mention using 4mm² cable for the spur when any restrictions disappear.
 

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