Scientific racism .......

EFLImpudence · 9 Jul 2020

Perhaps it is the cause of all the confusion.

Let's have a simple test:

Are Cliff Richard and Gandhi the same race - both born in India?
Are Bernie Sanders and Sammy Davis Jr. the same race - both born in USA and Jewish (the latter a convert; did his race change)?
Are the Pope and Martin Luther King the same race - both Christian?
Are Tony Cozier and Garfield Sobers the same race - both born in Barbados and cricketers?

Deleted2797112 · 9 Jul 2020

I don't think it's the law that is confused. Your 'test' makes no sense.

EFLImpudence · 9 Jul 2020

Maybe not to you.

IT Minion · 9 Jul 2020

EFLImpudence said:
Maybe not to you.

How about you provide a definition of race rather than playing 'hot or cold'. So far you've said that race is based on skin colour, genetics and just knowing.

On a thread titled scientific racism that's pretty ironic.

ellal · 9 Jul 2020

EFLImpudence said:
Maybe not to you.

Maybe not to most people as your 'test' is bonkers...

I note you didn't reply to the '12 tribes of Israel' post explaining about the different skin colours of the same race...

It's such a shame when the facts disprove a warped ideology

EFLImpudence · 9 Jul 2020

ellal said:
Maybe not to most people as your 'test' is bonkers...

No, it isn't. It has been said that race also has to do with nationality or nation where you were born.

I note you didn't reply to the '12 tribes of Israel' post explaining about the different skin colours of the same race...

I thought you were taking the pìss out of religion.

It's such a shame when the facts disprove a warped ideology

It's nothing to do with ideology. I am only concerned with the meaning of the words.

Race has nothing to do with nationality, religion or even ethnicity.

IT Minion said:
How about you provide a definition of race rather than playing 'hot or cold'. So far you've said that race is based on skin colour, genetics and just knowing.

I have told you. It is the word used nowadays for 'breeds' which is deemed unacceptable.
The same as breeds in other animals and organisms.

Do you think that Native Americans are a different race than Australian Aborigines?
If so, then the the difference in their races is the difference in their genetics and characteristics.

IT Minion · 9 Jul 2020

EFLImpudence said:
I have told you. It is the word used nowadays for 'breeds

Except that's not how it's used or defined is it. Except by you.

Or to be more precise, that's a very narrow definition and to deny the wider definitions of it exist is just flat out wrong.

Deleted2797112 · 10 Jul 2020

EFLImpudence said:
It is the word used nowadays for 'breeds' which is deemed unacceptable.

I'm not a young person and I have never heard the term 'breed' being applied to humans. It doesn't look like anyone else here, except you, uses the term that way either.

EFLImpudence · 10 Jul 2020

IT Minion said:
Except that's not how it's used or defined is it. Except by you.

Or to be more precise, that's a very narrow definition and to deny the wider definitions of it exist is just flat out wrong.

The word is "race".

You dispute what I say it means yet willingly accept it means many unrelated things.

I mentioned the other day that I have unilaterally declared that people from Devon are a separate race therefore arguing with me is racist.

EFLImpudence · 10 Jul 2020

ceres said:
I'm not a young person and I have never heard the term 'breed' being applied to humans. It doesn't look like anyone else here, except you, uses the term that way either.

Well, there you are then. At least you have learned something.

Watch old western and other films, some people were 'half-breeds'.

I do not 'use' the term; I merely mention that the word race is now used instead of it because it is now deemed unacceptable.

The same will happen to race in the future and something else will have to be used.

Scarlet Pimpernel · 10 Jul 2020

EFLImpudence said:
... there used to be an idiot on here who maintained it could relate to football teams.

I was intrigued by your comment, so I did some digging, and guess what I found.

There used to be an idiot on here who claimed that ants were really giraffes.
Oooh, look, he's still here

EFLImpudence said:
What happens when you ARE right and others ARE wrong.

This is a giraffe:
View attachment 103190

EFLImpudence needs to believe that the human race is subdivided by more than one race of humans.
It's called Scientific Racism.

Scientific racism, sometimes termed biological racism, is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority.[1][2][3][4] Historically, scientific racism received credence throughout the scientific community, but it is no longer considered scientific
After the end of World War II, scientific racism in theory and action was formally denounced, especially in UNESCO's early antiracist statement "The Race Question" (1950): "The biological fact of race and the myth of 'race' should be distinguished. For all practical social purposes 'race' is not so much a biological phenomenon as a social myth. The myth of 'race' has created an enormous amount of human and social damage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

Maybe gasbanni needs the same justification, hence the title of the thread.

motorbiking · 10 Jul 2020

@EFLImpudence Have a read of the Equality act posted by Ceres. Its quite clear how groups can be defined. You can be a member of more than one protected group. e.g. 1 legged, black, lesbian, jew. You have multiple protected characteristics. In general anything that groups a person by something that is based on their origin, ethnicity, skin colour etc. and associates derogatory or discriminatory attachment is likely to be racist - i.e. discrimination based on race. Religious discrimination is separately covered as is sexual orientation/gender etc.

If I call a white middle aged man a gammon, I'm being racist. He cannot change his pink skin colour and it is widely accepted as a derogatory term.

Bobby Dazzler said:
There used to be an idiot on here who claimed that ants were really giraffes.
Oooh, look, he's still here.

ditch the name calling - its tedious, highly unlikely to convince someone to change their mind and gets threads locked.

Scarlet Pimpernel · 10 Jul 2020

motorbiking said:
@EFLImpudence Have a read of the Equality act posted by Ceres. Its quite clear how groups can be defined. You can be a member of more than one protected group. e.g. 1 legged, black, lesbian, jew. You have multiple protected characteristics. In general anything that groups a person by something that is based on their origin, ethnicity, skin colour etc. and associates derogatory or discriminatory attachment is likely to be racist - i.e. discrimination based on race. Religious discrimination is separately covered as is sexual orientation/gender etc.

If I call a white middle aged man a gammon, I'm being racist. He cannot change his pink skin colour and it is widely accepted as a derogatory term.

ditch the name calling - its tedious, highly unlikely to convince someone to change their mind and gets threads locked.

A gammon changes his skin colour only when in heated exchanges, and usually because he is struggling to justify his argument.
Thus, he does have control over his skin colour.
He can avoid struggling to justify his mistaken beliefs. I wonder what skin colour EFLImpudence is now?

Scarlet Pimpernel · 10 Jul 2020

EFLImpudence said:
there used to be an idiot on here

Bobby Dazzler said:
There used to be an idiot on here

motorbiking said:
ditch the name calling - its tedious, highly unlikely to convince someone to change their mind and gets threads locked.

I'm exasperated!
EFLImpudence refers to someone as an idiot, and I do likewise.
So motorbiking criticises me???
What is more, two days ago, EFLImpudence refers to someone who is no longer here. Perhaps he's trolling, perhaps he's just taking advantage, who knows?
I use the expression knowing fullwell that EFLImpudence has an opportunity to respond. And I'm criticised???
Perhaps motorbiking only reads my comments, and not EFLImpudence's.

Or perhaps there's a bit more to motorbiking's motivation?

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