Pc harper

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Plus, the jury did not, as i do, have the benefit of knowing about the defendant's criminal history or the benefit of reading the judge's sentencing summation.
Thus you do not understand how the UK justice system works!

You also have no notion of what a 'fair trial' means'...

We might as well bring back the 'ducking stool' given your reasoning!
 
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I do not understand the sentencing of the passengers.Either they did not know they were dragging someone and were innocent of that offence,or they did know,and it was murder.Either way I think it will go to appeal for being too leniant.

Substantial new evidence would need to be brought, before an appeal would allowed by either prosecution or the defense.
 
Thus you do not understand how the UK justice system works!

You also have no notion of what a 'fair trial' means'...

We might as well bring back the 'ducking stool' given your reasoning!
I can’t work out if you’ve selectively quoted my post to try and make me look silly or if you’ve just not understood my point.

To be clear, I formed my opinion based on all the information easily available after the completion of the trial and sentencing. I fully understand that the Jury does not and should not have access to defendants criminal history etc. As I was not on the jury, I am free to come to my own conclusion which may differ to a conclusion I might have reached had I been a member of the jury , sat through the whole trial and listened to both barristers attempting to prove or create doubt as to whether the killing of pc harper was deliberate and beyond all reasonable doubt.

I fully understand why they came to the verdict they did, but I don’t agree with it. But I am glad that if there was doubt amongst the jury as to whether this was a case of murder, the law allows for them to be found guilty of manslaughter which carries the same or very similar range of penalties as murder which enabled the judge to apply a significant sentence.

However, in my opinion, one, if not all, of these worthless individuals knew exactly what they were doing when they drove off at high speed with pc harper’s feet caught in the sling. They didn't care how much they hurt him, their sole aim was to get away. They have shown no remorse. They do not deserve to ever benefit from liberty again in their lives.
 
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I know it'll never happen and not many people agree with me but these individuals deserve the noose.....another candidate being the brother of the Manchester bomb attack.
John :)
And you would be prepared to be the executioner personally?

Live should mean life in prison in certain circumstances, but taking a life for revenge simply makes a country uncivilised!
 
The price of taking a human life is your life. Not 13/16 years in a comfy prison cell.

Thinking about it, what is the price of your or my life?
 
And you would be prepared to be the executioner personally?

Live should mean life in prison in certain circumstances, but taking a life for revenge simply makes a country uncivilised!
this and most other countries are becoming more and more uncivilised anyway so you are talking nonsense again .
the level to which the moral compass is stooping gets lower and lower.
diversity ,inclusion , human rights and pc do-gooders like you push the bottom limit further and further down.
i’d be an executioner , bring it on.
rather than funding comfy lifestyles for murderers rapists druggies , religious fanatics and pedo’s in so called prisons. some idiots are so pc it makes my skin crawl. and your’e one of them.
 
The price of taking a human life is your life. Not 13/16 years in a comfy prison cell.

Thinking about it, what is the price of your or my life?
Then where do you draw the lines? Kill someone by driving dangerously? Is that execution or just maiming? What about self defense, or protecting your own property with disproportionate force?

In other cases it's a question of confidence, how sure are you that person A really did it. No matter where you draw the line then someone innocent will eventually get killed.

I'd rather lock people up for life rather than risk killing an innocent person.
 
And you would be prepared to be the executioner personally?

Live should mean life in prison in certain circumstances, but taking a life for revenge simply makes a country uncivilised!
No, I would not like to be the one that pulls the lever.
However, some crimes are so revolting and disgusting that some people deserve nothing less and I do feel that the general public do need some sort of revenge.....especially when no remorse whatsoever is shown. Maybe that's an archaic point of view and the noose may or it may not prove to be a deterrent - no one knows.
It will also cost the taxpayer a fortune to keep these individuals in the pokey but that's another argument.....a neighbour of mine is currently educating the Soham murderer in English Literature :eek: whereas I would have him breaking stones.
John :)
 
It will also cost the taxpayer a fortune to keep these individuals in the pokey but that's another argument..
It isn't going to be cheaper killing them. The cost, time and effort involved is huge, assuming you go with the US model rather than the China model.
 
No, I would not like to be the one that pulls the lever.
However, some crimes are so revolting and disgusting that some people deserve nothing less and I do feel that the general public do need some sort of revenge.....especially when no remorse whatsoever is shown. Maybe that's an archaic point of view and the noose may or it may not prove to be a deterrent - no one knows.
It will also cost the taxpayer a fortune to keep these individuals in the pokey but that's another argument.....a neighbour of mine is currently educating the Soham murderer in English Literature :eek: whereas I would have him breaking stones.
John :)

That's the trouble, yes we all get utterly repelled by some individuals crimes. But as said if we had the death penalty and someone later found innocent was executed by the state, my feeling would be all of us would be implicated in a murder.

Then there is the question of where you draw the line? All murders? well there's lots of situations where people are murdered with what many of us would say were extenuating circumstances.

So, yeah on balance it's too complicated, I know many of us would like to bang certain crims on the back of the head with a spade. But we have to be better than them.
 
I agree with you completely Eddie, every case is individual.
I'm all for rehabilitation for some cases and reintegration back into society but I feel that there is little deterrent and minimal punishment for many offenders - and the lack of remorse from some is appalling. I'd doubt if Ms. Begum is reading this!
John :)
 
But as said if we had the death penalty and someone later found innocent was executed by the state, my feeling would be all of us would be implicated in a murder.

However, are we not all implicated in the initial crime anyway, by dint of the reasoning that "we" (society) let the miscreant down in the first place?
 
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