It's disingenuous and silly to suggest 'UK' workers couldn't do it because traditionally, they always have. I'm not being romantic by harking back to the days of cockneys hop picking, but there are itinerant 'do as yer likeys' workers that do follow seasons and earn good money, pick crops for 4 months, tarmac drives for four months, spend 4 months resting on the ranch back in Ireland. I'm puzzled as to why you think 'this type' of work is exclusive to poorer EU nationalities, or is this part of the workers rights ellal bangs on about?
Better than a No Deal or not?
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It's disingenuous and silly to suggest 'UK' workers couldn't do it because traditionally, they always have. I'm not being romantic by harking back to the days of cockneys hop picking, but there are itinerant 'do as yer likeys' workers that do follow seasons and earn good money, pick crops for 4 months, tarmac drives for four months, spend 4 months resting on the ranch back in Ireland. I'm puzzled as to why you think 'this type' of work is exclusive to poorer EU nationalities, or is this part of the workers rights ellal bangs on about?
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Not exclusive - but what matters to bottom line is cost effectiveness and productivity which comes from experience.
Why else you think the Government has increased the number of visas from 10k to 30k?
Anyway I might be late for lunch tomorrow, I need my beauty sleep.
You CAN change your vote.
We'll have to wait and see what happens with Services, which is a bigger earner for us.
And how the internal dissatisfactons in the EU parliament - and France - want to exercise rights they see in the wording to make sure the UK is hurt by leaving the EU.
Canada is NOT tied to EU ways of doing things.
Disgusted with the UK's behaviour regarding the trucks at Dover. It was obvious days ago that a covid test was the way out. We should have got the army down there doing lateral flow tests. Macron wouldn't have been able to refuse entry, because he'd have looked more stupid
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You call that brexit?
That's not brexit.
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No, just asking questions. These do not seem to have been covered in the deal or the information has not been given to us yet.
It's over a thousand pages
Probably waffle
Entire forests have been felled to provide the paper for this and all the other waffle that has come out of the EU in the last 50 years
Jeez us wept
One of life's great certainties is that transam will not be reading it
Life is to short
Probably waffle
Entire forests have been felled to provide the paper for this and all the other waffle that has come out of the EU in the last 50 years
Jeez us wept
One of life's great certainties is that transam will not be reading it
Life is to short
Well, I did think they would back down some way from their demands - but we still don't know the final result of the negotiations yet, other than that there is agreement on 'something'.
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All I can say the UK is in a better position than Norway - That country has to pay into the EU and follow the rules but has no say.
Yes and no. Fact europeans from some areas are prepared to work in areas that nationals here wont do and are also inclined to work "harder" with less fuss. In fact in the area of picking there has already been some this is far too hard from those that have tried it. The idea for people furloughed due to covid etc.This area is why immigration started in the first place. Jobs that no one who lives here wanted. Big difference then as employment levels were a lot higher and real numbers. No 2,00,000 or so economically inactive. In fact for a long time finding another job was easy while that was going on.
Go back a bit earlier and I have heard that a Tory manifesto mentioned that 1m unemployed was desirable as it creates a more mobile workforce. Similar is ongoing. Cut benefits to a level that will cause people real hardship. Something of a mixed bag in terms of what people feel they need to own these days. Mobile phone contracts are an interesting one. Then concerns about such rare ideas as have a baby so that the state will keep the mother and the baby. Borstal short sharp shock man. All good for the Tory faithful. Ask the 2,000,000 if they would like a job and most say yes. Good for the faithful again but their main problem is that they can't get one.
Deal is a bit weird. The tracing mechanism the EU uses to check where stuff comes from will still be in place probably with additional paper work.
Free market deals? Well they will get VAT but will UK business be able to compete on price? Free ports ? Not sure what this area means. It sounds a little like importer's heaven. Have to see how it pans out.
Gov support business? Unusual for this lot. Also a bit Corbyn who when he says Gov is needed to compete with China is 100% correct.
they didnt back down on anything
where do you think they backed down?
fishing -small concession
LPF -they will slap on tariffs of we diverge in any way
Johnson is the one time wasting -why can you not see that
the UK team didnt even provide any proposals to the EU for 6 months
the UK had the best deal of all the 28
Norway model isnt great -they get Single Market access but pay a lot and have no say
UK now has very significant barriers between itself and its biggest trade partner....I wouldnt call that a great position.
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