Mask exemptions.

sxturbo · 5 Jan 2021

Watch the video and read the article.

Mask don't stop you getting covid though they may reduce the chances, but they do significantly reduce the chances of spreading it.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/the-simple-science-behind-why-masks-work

Trazor · 5 Jan 2021

johnny2007 said:
Secondly, they're used in a surgical, almost sterile environment.

So you think a Covid 19 ward is sterile............

johnny2007 · 5 Jan 2021

trazor said:
So you think a Covid 19 ward is sterile............

I'm talking about operating theatre.
Covid wards are dirtier than my boots after a walk in the tip.

Trazor · 5 Jan 2021

johnny2007 said:
I'm talking about operating theatre.
Covid wards are dirtier than my boots after a walk in the tip.

Which is why masks, amongst other attire, is worn.

EFLImpudence · 5 Jan 2021

...and then disposed of after one use.

dontbelieveawordofit · 5 Jan 2021

IT Minion · 5 Jan 2021

EFLImpudence said:
Sorry to pick on you but you say these things.

Do you have evidence to prove that?

Yes.

In normal times past, would it not be the same as putting one's hand over one's mouth when someone else coughs?

No. Hands are ineffective in both cases. It's a crap analogy.

Wasn't the claim that masks only protected others from the wearer refuted when it was thought that those not wearing masks might simply be being selfish and not caring about others?

Was it? You of course have proof of this, or at least an explanation of what you're on about.

Is or has it always been beyond the wit of man to devise a two-way mask? Could two be worn? One inside out.
Do they have an inside. I know everyone seems to wear them blue side out; is that correct?

Or are you just saying that the masks doled out to the general public are virtual useless apart from catching large droplets to be spread later by some other means.

Oh dear god.

ellal · 5 Jan 2021

sxturbo said:
i've estimated

Wow, that's a 'scientific' approach

sxturbo · 6 Jan 2021

ellal said:
Wow, that's a 'scientific' approach

Well they don't keep records of people that aren't able to wear a mask due too severe health be it mental or otherwise issues.

And I severely doubt it's more than the number of autistic people in the uk

Brigadier · 6 Jan 2021

johnny2007 said:
Thirdly, medical staff knows how to use them.

Me and my colleagues would beg to differ.

Since the start of this, we have been in hospitals, doctors, dentists, etc, caring or face-fit testing for the medical staff there.
Only yesterday, my deputy told me that a neuro surgeon was being face fitted. My deputy handed him the mask, and started to tell him how to put it on correctly.
"I know how to do it, I've been tested before you know!", the surgeon said, haughtily.

"Clearly not", replied my deputy, "because you have it on upside down: the noise clip is under your chin."
My deputy is a straight talker, and he followed up with "I don't tell you how to operate on someone, so don't tell me how to select, fit, and inspect a mask".

The above is a common occurrence.

Scarlet Pimpernel · 6 Jan 2021

^woody^ said:
What's the rules for wearing a motorbike helmet?
Can you just make something up and not bother to wear one? If not why not?

Bobby Dazzler said:

The legislation relating to wearing of such helmets was considered and discussed at length. It went through the proper parliamentary process of committees and due diligence. It was subject to proper scrutiny.

Click to expand...

^woody^ said:
More covidiocy.
The point is, when you have a law, it should be obeyed, not disobeyed on the basis of some poxy excuse ... of which "oh officer, I'm not wearing a face covering because I don't think it has had sufficient parliamentary scrutiny". You really are stupid. (Fact not insult).

Typical woody response. He asks a question, a perfectly reasonable question. Then when a reasonable and credible answer is provided, he responds with his typical nonsensical and unrelated gibberish.
Are you totally incapable of following the thread of the discussion? Are you incapable of a posting a credible counter argument and must resort to insulting and infantile behaviour every time? Or are you just embarrassed that the answer to your question was obvious, but you failed to realise it.

It's a fact that the law about helmets was discussed at length, after public consultation. It was considered at committee stage. It was subject to scrutiny.
The exceptions for not wearing a mask were issued by a bumbling, failing, thoroughly shambolic mob pretending to govern in their best chaotic style, as an edict and secondary consideration. It has not followed any public consultation, it has not been subject to a committees stage. It has not been subject to the usual scrutiny. That is why it is a shambles.

You clearly had not thought of that.

algas · 6 Jan 2021

Went to my local motor factors in last lock down, fiddled in jacket pocket for mask as approached the door, mask back in car, lady working behind counter shouts " no mask no entry, no excuses" bloody good I thought and complimented her on her stance when I went in, should be more like her.

diy_fun_uk · 6 Jan 2021

People that want to debate and debate and debate whether or not masks make a difference are at best misinformed, at worst pretty thick. If for the purposes of this thread we assume covid is real and can be transmitted through respiratory droplets (I put that as some don't believe this which is of course their right) then how could anyone conclude masks, to whatever extent, aren't a useful measure in reducing transmission? Think about the droplet thing. Have you ever talked to someone who 'sprays it doesn't say it' i.e. when they're talking, you can literally feel the occasional droplet from their mouth hit your face? I myself have been guilty of this e.g. for a few days after dental work my mouth was producing more saliva and I was spray-speaking everywhere! Everyone sprays droplets to varying degrees. It doesn't take an expert to conclude wearing a proper mask will greatly reduce projection of these droplets.

It's a two way thing about mutual respect of those around you. I wear a mask to mitigate risks posed to you, you wear a mask to mitigate risks posed to me. If you don't want to enter into this unspoken relationship of respect for those around you, I'm not quite sure what that says about you. Actually I am ...

diy_fun_uk · 6 Jan 2021

algas said:
Went to my local motor factors in last lock down, fiddled in jacket pocket for mask as approached the door, mask back in car, lady working behind counter shouts " no mask no entry, no excuses" bloody good I thought and complimented her on her stance when I went in, should be more like her.

This is a large part of the problem, because we live in a free democratic society, people are conflating covid restrictions with dictatorship. 'It's my right NOT to wear a mask or to follow the guidance!' the commonly known **** will shout. To an extent that would be fine IF their actions had the potential to harm no one but them. However if these people are socially interacting to whatever extent, taking a stance such as this is nothing short of complete selfishness given the potential it creates to harm others.

An individual might not believe the covid measures are required. Indeed, they might not believe covid exists at all. That's their right. However, it doesn't give them the right to flout guidance and/or law when this has the potential to harm wider society, whether or not they think this whole thing is real.

Smoker: I don't believe passive smoking is a thing, I will therefore light this cigarette in your presence and proceed to blow cigarette smoke directly into your face. Don't worry, your health isn't at risk because I don't believe passive smoking is real.

Harry Bloomfield · 6 Jan 2021

EFLImpudence said:
A shopkeeper etc. can refuse entry to anyone can he not?

By my understanding, the owner of a premises or his agent, can deny access to anyone, for any reason, providing it is not for discrimination reasons. Think about it, you can be barred from a pub.

Mask exemptions.

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