My Breville used to trip my RCDs

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But it doesn't any more!
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Didn't matter where I plugged it in, upstairs, downstairs, kitchen, garage - powered up, started to heat up then pop.

This is the 3rd, first I assumed faulty and returned, second suffered a broken handle in transit but still tripped and the third one trips as per the others (obviously not where it's plugged in now). Although the house is (mid renovation) a mixture of 60/70s wiring and newer stuff we have no problems with anything else (kettle, toaster, slow cooker etc).

Any thoughts.
 
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Yes.

You have fitted an extension lead socket to the non-RCD protected cooker circuit.

Before you plugged the Breville into the RCD protected sockets.

I suspect you know this.

So you still have a faulty Breville.
 
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Yes. I'm just surprised that 3 in a row could be faulty - I have a multimeter but no idea what I should be checking on the Breville.
I did lend it to my parents for a test run (they have rewireable fuses) and they had a tasty lunch with no problems.

My sister has an rcd box so I might ask her to try it before I buy a different model.
 
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I have a multimeter but no idea what I should be checking on the Breville.

Resistance between the plug's earth pin and the live and neutral pins in turn.
Obviously with the thing unplugged, but with any controls switched on.
Use the highest resistance range.
 
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Two MCB's not RCD protected, rest are with type AC RCD, and it seems the Cooker is not RCD protected and with earlier editions of BS 7671 it was not required for non socket circuits to be RCD protected and it seems originally the cooker circuit did not have any sockets.

As to testing earth leakage with a multi-meter, not really an easy task, as you need 230 volts to test with, the 9 volt battery in a test meter is no good without some thing to raise the voltage, normal is to use 500 volt which the insulation tester generates inside the meter.

We all know what we should do, but I will admit I have not done it, we should check the earth leakage at the RCD does not exceed 9 mA with no fault, I have never tested it, however I have tested that the RCD does not trip at 15 mA and does at 30 mA so that is in effect the same thing.

Four circuits on a RCD means it could be near the limit anyway, normal equipment should not allow more than 3.5 mA to earth, and the RCD should not trip under 15 mA, so 5 items left plugged in could mean your on the limit, unlikely, but possible. My PAT tester does show leakage to earth, but it is not easy to measure, the problem is inductive and capacitive linking is AC only, and the insulation tester uses DC. So EMC filters can cause a RCD to trip, but show a very high resistance with an insulation tester.

So if it trips a Plug in RCD then reasonable sure the Breville is faulty, but with the CU RCD it may have just taken the combined leakage current over the limit. I had the problem with some scales, they had an RF filter which passed too much current, we always PAT tested new equipment, as hard to return a year latter when you find a fault, and with the scales it paid off.

I am sure you can test with a multi meter, but it would likely involve danger, if you can work it out, then you have enough knowledge to stay safe, if not I am not telling you as don't want to put you in danger.
 
Thanks, I did wonder about metering it without power as it doesn't trip until it's been on a few minutes warming up.

Just tried plug in rcd in cooker "socket" and it tripped so I guess just incredibly unlucky with brevilles, think I'll try another brand.
 
In the dishwasher, just the removable plates obviously - the unit's all clean and dry inside.
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Very odd! Did they all come from the same batch, do you know? Just wondering if they could have been stored somewhere damp or something... Are they all the same make and model? Bought new or used? Where from? All bought from the same source?

Be interesting to see the results of connecting them to a PAT tester, if you know anyone who has one.

Something strange going on, for sure!

Good luck, I hope you get it sorted OK, but I certainly wouldn't run it without an RCD if you suspect it's faulty.
 

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