Apols @Hugh Jaleak , I just re-read my beer goggle post on Sat night and it was basically saying the same as your previous post, I wasn't meaning to repeat what you had already said. 
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@Nisha2021 , please let us know how you get on.
Thank you all for your advice. We are concerned but also glad that we have these photo which we only took to show the progress to our family and I only asked here due to this noise.
We have been told by a joiner to contact a structural engineer first and show them the photos and then the joiner can fix it as per the advice given .....
Also, the plumber keeps arguing that his work is satisfactory, he can't see any issues with the joists. Are there any structural engineers on this site?
We do need written advice/instructions for him.
Yes, I will update you if there is any progress here.
Thank you very much.
Nisha
We have been told by a joiner to contact a structural engineer first and show them the photos and then the joiner can fix it as per the advice given .....
Also, the plumber keeps arguing that his work is satisfactory, he can't see any issues with the joists. Are there any structural engineers on this site?
We do need written advice/instructions for him.
Yes, I will update you if there is any progress here.
Thank you very much.
Nisha
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Don't worry @Madrab, in this case I'd rather the OP be told the same thing twice than not at all.
I think we're both reading from the same page here, that looks (impossible to tell for certain without being on site), to be serious enough to affect the structurally stability of the property and need a proper inspection by someone with trained eyes ASAP, before someone gets hurt.
I think we're both reading from the same page here, that looks (impossible to tell for certain without being on site), to be serious enough to affect the structurally stability of the property and need a proper inspection by someone with trained eyes ASAP, before someone gets hurt.
As you suggest, I don't think he has a clue about the joists and what or what isn't safe to do.
He is going to say that he doesn't see any issues with the joists and what he's done, to do so would open him up to serious liability and it looks like he's going to leave it to you to prove that it isn't safe. Another typical behaviour trait of someone that isn't a professional trades person, I wonder if he has insurance. In saying that if he was, you wouldn't be where you are now and what has been done to that floor.
Unfortunately no-one on here will be able to offer exacting advice, as there is only so much that can be commented on from pics, without being onsite.
Having a look about the forum members, this chap pops up as a structural engineer. @RonnyRaygun are you able to offer any advise on the OP's predicament with the floor/joist work performed by someone who calls himself a bathroom fitter?
The professionals here are extremely worried given the information and pictures supplied about the work.
B
Bodd
Also ask who ever you get in to take more photos as the repair goes and a written report of what they find.
The easiest way forward, to ascertain the integrity of the joists would be to access and survey, via the ceiling of the room, below the shower room... This would reveal how much "meat" is left in the joists and would show what support (If any) is below them, and would involve minimal disruption, at this stage.
... and if possible I'd prop the joists from below in the short term, just until you know if it's ok or not .... just as a belt 'n' braces and to ensure the safety of you and yours, if you're using the room below.
I think the next best thing is to put a prop downstairs under the basin area.
Andy
Andy
Depending on how long you'll need them then go searching for Acro props, it may be cheaper to buy them. That being said you may need 6 depending on the span you wish to support and 2 support beams.
Unfortunately it's now time to go after the cowboy. If he's not willing to sort things out at his time and cost and at least refund the labour costs already paid, which I'll bet he isn't as it means lifting it all and doing it properly, you may find you need a structural report.
As @dilalio suggests it may be easier to go in from below first to get a report done. That being said you are going to have to go in from above at some point anyway.
If the report does show the floor has been left in a dangerous state then I think you also want to go to trading standards and report it to my builder.com too, as this guy needs to stop what he doing and his previous customers may want to check out his work too.
Unfortunately it's now time to go after the cowboy. If he's not willing to sort things out at his time and cost and at least refund the labour costs already paid, which I'll bet he isn't as it means lifting it all and doing it properly, you may find you need a structural report.
As @dilalio suggests it may be easier to go in from below first to get a report done. That being said you are going to have to go in from above at some point anyway.
If the report does show the floor has been left in a dangerous state then I think you also want to go to trading standards and report it to my builder.com too, as this guy needs to stop what he doing and his previous customers may want to check out his work too.
It looks like the kitchen may have been opened up, a supporting wall removed and an RSJ put in but without knowing how the joists run in relation to what's there or what was there before, then it's difficult to comment.
You'll need to map the footprint of the floor above onto the ceiling below, associate where the joists will be running and where the cuts are and then cross support the joists either side of the cuts.
The situation will then need a professional inspection to either confirm that all is ok, or it isn't. If it isn't then the report should give advice as to what will be needed to return everything to a safe state, an experienced joiner will also be able to advise on that.
You'll need to map the footprint of the floor above onto the ceiling below, associate where the joists will be running and where the cuts are and then cross support the joists either side of the cuts.
The situation will then need a professional inspection to either confirm that all is ok, or it isn't. If it isn't then the report should give advice as to what will be needed to return everything to a safe state, an experienced joiner will also be able to advise on that.
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