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SUNRAY said:
That's what they tried to tell me. They also tried to convince me the joins are better their way than running across the joists.
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'Better' is far-fetched - I was talking about 'how much worse'!
SUNRAY said:
But no the joins are nothing like one big board, They have sagged.
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That doesn't surprise me - tongues and grooves aren't very big. Do you know if they glued them?

Kind Regards, John
 
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JohnW2 said:
'Better' is far-fetched - I was talking about 'how much worse'!
That doesn't surprise me - tongues and grooves aren't very big. Do you know if they glued them?

Kind Regards, John
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I doubt it. If they did it was the EPDM adhesive.
 
JohnW2 said:
I suppose one of the issues is that you say "the cable needs to be external". In such a situation, I would try everything I could to avoid that - I, too, like 'neatness', and 'nothing visible' is even neater than visible conduit!
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Well, if I was building the extension we have, there'd be the ability to run cables internally. But with what I have (the previous owner built it) there's no f'in way. Can't even lift a board in most rooms as they seemed to like the "click together" laminate, and other rooms have the big sheets of chipboard (that creaks like heck).

EDIT: So I've had to resort to conduit (metal) round the outside of the extension.
securespark said:
Spent the best part of 10K on that job.
But I have to let it all go or I'll end up winding myself up about it for the rest of my days......
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I know what you mean. I get earache from SWMBO about the length of time I take over jobs - but she is generally happy with the end result ... eventually :whistle: She also complains that things are "too complicated" :(
But if a plumber had told me that I was wrong to want soldered fittings, he'd have been "asked to leave" - and in a manner that left him clear not to come back. But then, I do my own plumbing ... slowly. I'm an endfeed person myself - and slowly getting rid of the old plastic.
JohnW2 said:
However, with T&G boards it's a bit different - and I suppose that if the tongues and grooves were strong enough, it would effectively be just one single big sheet, hence 'OK'?
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They aren't, it isn't - and the manufacturer's instructions are very clear on that. Again, if I had a contractor telling me that it was OK to have unsupported joints like that, they'd have had a choice of how to leave the premises - on their own two feet, or the same way as their tools.

it really pees me off when supposedly "competent" trades people are ignorant of really basic things. Recently I had a boiler "engineer" (mum's boiler had been playing up, I replaced the leaking auto air vent as they couldn't come round for a few days) tell me that I'd broken the law (I hadn't) and that modulating pumps don't exist :rolleyes:

EDIT: I think that's something I inherited from Dad. I gather Mum has had to 'rescue' tradepeople in the past when they've failed to follow instructions.
I gather on one occasion he had a youngish bathroom fitter in tears - the instructions were clear that the wall boards had to have something like a 6mm gap at the bottom to allow for thermal movement without breaking the sealant bead, he'd been specifically told about this, and he'd left nothing. Different person, but same bathroom project, he caught one of them moving a radiator bracket he'd previously set-up just right. Said person said they weren't level - till dad showed him how to check that his bubble was right - it wasn't ! Same fitters also wanted to strip off the packing strips he'd spent a couple of weeks setting up to give them a flat reference to mount the wall boards on :evil:
And the BG 'plumber' who wanted to spread three zone valves all over the cupboard floor in spite of having been told "they are going in that space I've marked". Can't remember whether dad spotted and corrected his error before or after he'd soldered everything up :whistle:
 
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SimonH2 said:
Well, if I was building the extension we have, there'd be the ability to run cables internally. But with what I have (the previous owner built it) there's no f'in way. Can't even lift a board in most rooms as they seemed to like the "click together" laminate, and other rooms have the big sheets of chipboard (that creaks like heck).
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You have my sympathies. The nearest I have to that is some Victorian T&G floorboards, which I am reticent to damage more than I have to. However, since the OP was talking about "...a few lights on the outside gable of the house", I had though that they could probably potential access from roof space - although maybe there isn't access to that, either!
SimonH2 said:
They aren't, it isn't - and the manufacturer's instructions are very clear on that. Again, if I had a contractor telling me that it was OK to have unsupported joints like that, they'd have had a choice of how to leave the premises - on their own two feet, or the same way as their tools.
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Same here. I was merely trying to speculate about how they will have rationalised what they did - particulatrly if, as SUNRAY suggested, the truly believed that it was 'better' done that way! About the only benefit (to them) I can think of is thatv it involved slightly less board cutting - but I would not have thought enough to make a difference.
SimonH2 said:
... it really pees me off when supposedly "competent" trades people are ignorant of really basic things.
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Indeed so, particularly when they're the same people who would insist that, unlike them, I was not 'competent' to do whatever it was.

Maybe time for me to again wheel out my standard story, from very many years ago, about an electrician (who was here for a totally different reason) who I "showed the door". He insisted that, because an electric shower I have (but hardly ever use) was a long way from the CU supplying it, it was essential that I had an additional RCD fitted 'close to the shower', because "by the time the fault current got back to the CU, it would have become too small to trip the CU's RCD"! Some degree of poor understanding I am prepared to accept (and attempt to correct) but this guy got very upset, and verbally aggressive, when I attempted to 'put him right' - which is why he was 'shown the door', without even being allowed to do what he was meant to be here to do :)

Kind Regards, John
 
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Yeah, what really boils my p155 is when tradesmen fob me off with 5h1t.
I usually tell them at that point that I have worked on building sites and with other trades on and off for 30 years and, while not completely au fait with trade's practices, I have a very good idea.
 
securespark said:
Yeah, what really boils my p155 is when tradesmen fob me off with 5h1t. I usually tell them at that point that I have worked on building sites and with other trades on and off for 30 years and, while not completely au fait with trade's practices, I have a very good idea.
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It's probably easier when one has a tangible explanation for 'having knowledge' such as you have. In my case, it can be very difficult to explain to such people 'why I know better than them', even when I know that I do!

Kind Regards, John
 
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