Except that the UK imported around half its doses from other countries.
Your claims are simply nonsense.
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Except that the UK imported around half its doses from other countries.
Your claims are simply nonsense.
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yep, that's jed for you.
I'd say it's if anything the opposite. For island nations there's the potential to eradicate Covid-19 within the borders. Less so for counties with land borders but to a lesser degree.
If you assume that any infection anywhere has the same chance of creating a new strain the goal should be to reduce the total number of infections above all, so aiming for eradication, and to try to avoid any new strains traveling.
China, Russia, India are all large exporters of vaccines. The EU has exported 40 million.
The US and the UK are on the fringe, us in particular as we're a significant net importer. Up to a point I'm all for that, but really now we're wrapping up the over 50s I think we should be slowing down and helping other nations protect their vulnerable people.
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I agree but this isn't the role of individual countries. The central coordination is COVAX, which most of the wealthy countries subscribe to, including the UK. You cannot just send vaccine to low income countries. They also need systems, facilities and coordinators to make sure the vaccines are deployed correctly and efficiently.
Importation/exportation is a red herring. The Ox/As vaccines was developed in the UK with UK government money yet has been distributed around the world at cost price. Zero profit. This is something most British people should be proud of.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean John? The quote isn't mine.
I don't think it is a red herring. I think that we should ask ourselves who should get a vaccine first, a 70 year old Brazilian or a 40 something British teacher? Because we have chosen the latter by ensuring that we are consuming the doses ourselves, preventing Covax so that they cannot be sent to other nations that also need them. We're eating our cake and promising other countries they can have some once we're full and more has been baked.
We've promised money, which helps, and supported manufacturing, which helps but we are choosing not to help others until we've helped ourselves a lot more.
John, I explained that in what I thought was a fair and rational way in post 75. I had you down as a reasonable bloke but it's beginning to look like your anti-UK obsession is getting the better of you.
In a world of finite resource, where vaccine production is limited (and the means to roll it out limited), we need to look on this on a global scale. If we were to go the whole hog, and get everyone vaccined, knowing we could have contributed to others efforts, and then find that they have mutations that are immune to the vaccine, we just wasted our time, as we are never going to keep it out. Just take a look at how effective our Test & Trace system is, and how active our borders are.
Eradication could have happened here last summer, but the UK government didn't want it. They didn't want to do what New Zealnd and Australia acheived. They would rather make their friends rich.
Eradication would not even be discussed in the media here. Not even the BBC.
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My wife remarked today that there seemed to be more aeroplanes flying about lately. Surely they should be able to cancel all non essential flights, a lot of business could be done via the 'net, then more patrols around our coasts to repel invaders. A friends daughter has been in Mexico for over a year, only because she says there is less restrictions and cases there than are reported here, she would feel a prisoner if she came back.
So do countries that weren't hesitant. Countries that aren't in the EU also were hesitant.
The EMA said it was fine to use.
What was your point again?
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Forty million doses are very significant even to a large European country
They are significant to the EU and they would be significant to anyone else.
They are not "a few boxes"
Your attempts to minimise shipments from EU nations and sneer at the help they give are unconvincing.
If forty million are so few, lets see the UK ship some.
Your anti-EU obsession has got the better of you.
Forty million doses are very significant even to a large European country
They are significant to the EU and they would be significant to anyone else.
They are not "a few boxes"
Your attempts to minimise shipments from EU nations and sneer at the help they give are unconvincing.
If forty million are so few, lets see the UK ship some.
Your anti-EU obsession has got the better of you.
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I fail to see how a discussion about the import/export of vaccines can be remotely considered as anti-UK.
Now JohnD is well know for his anti-BJ rhetoric. But even that isn't anti-UK.
If it was, all the anti-Corbyn anti-Starmer, anti-Beeb, anti-Abbot, etc could be described as anti-UK also.
You really have adopted the mantra of the RWR.
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technically if we with held it in retaliation to the EU there would be a big problem
also any current ban from the EU would delay our programme by a month
And if they seized all the vaccine ear marked for the UK it would bring the EUs vaccination program forward by one week
technically if we with held it in retaliation to the EU there would be a big problem
also any current ban from the EU would delay our programme by a month
And if they seized all the vaccine ear marked for the UK it would bring the EUs vaccination program forward by one week
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