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Do you have any sympathy for the 3.8 million that have died of covid?
Do your 'figures' distinguish between 'died of' or 'died with' covid?

Do you have any sympathy with those who have died or will die because of delayed diagnosis/operations/treatments for treatable illnesses?
 
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Do you have any sympathy with those who have died or will die because of delayed diagnosis/operations/treatments for treatable illnesses?

Of course I do. You'll have to be pretty cold hearted and selfish not to.

I don't have figures, I just use the globally accepted (with some minor exceptions) WHO figures.
 
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Of course I do. You'll have to be pretty cold hearted and selfish not to.
But that is what is happening in the UK and around the world...

I don't have figures, I just use the globally accepted (with some minor exceptions) WHO figures.

Well the ONS classes anyone who dies with covid as a covid death...

A reminder: "We use the term "due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths with an underlying cause of death of COVID-19, and we use the term "involving COVID-19" when referring to deaths that had COVID-19 mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not. The following analysis will focus on all deaths involving COVID-19."

If you die of cancer because you couldn't get treatment because of the covid backlog, would you class it as a covid related death?
 
But that is what is happening in the UK and around the world...

Happened - past tense.

If nobody had the vaccine, the hospitals would be full again of people dying of covid.

Vaccines mean that hospitals can get back to treating people as normal.

If you refuse a vaccine, you are the problem - if everybody was as selfish as you, hospitals will fill up again with covid patients.

Get a jab, save lives.
 
If you die of cancer because you couldn't get treatment because of the covid backlog, would you class it as a covid related death?

From what I've been told from friends and family that has been the case in a number of circumstances, people dying of cancer but have had covid on the death cert.

It does call into question the actual death toll, and in this respect I don't think the government have done themselves any favours.

And it has been widely reported that we record covid deaths very differently to the rest of Europe and possibly other countries.

That said seeing as the while world is worried about covid I don't think it's a big conspiracy to control us
 
would you class it as a covid related death

It is related as far as the criteria go i.e. if you have had a positive test within 28 days. The ONS data does split out "dying of" and "dying with" though.

Did you ever complain about the reporting of Flu deaths? It is/has been done by the same method.

  1. We use the term "due to COVID-19" or "due to Influenza and Pneumonia" when referring only to deaths where that illness was recorded as the underlying cause of death. We use the term "involving COVID-19" or "involving Influenza and Pneumonia" when referring to deaths that had that illness mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not.
 
We keep having the same conversation. Ellal, you seem very forgetful!

A better analogy is T2 diabetes. People rarely have "Diabetes" as a cause of death on their cert, instead it is heart failure, stroke, kidney failure, i.e the conditions that it causes.
Nobody seems to be shouting about the poor stats surrounding diabetes deaths.

What is important, and what is blindingly clear, is total death rates - significantly more have been dying each day/week/month in the last year. You can argue about each individual case, but you can't argue that an additional 3 million people aren't dead. Well you can, but you'd be a bit of a dick if you did.

Excess mortality was 3 million globally in 2020. And it is still spreading in countries that have huge populations and next to no vaccines.
https://www.who.int/data/stories/the-true-death-toll-of-covid-19-estimating-global-excess-mortality

If these 3 million people did not die because of covid, why did they die? If you have no answer, then probably best to leave it to the health scientists to work it out.
 
From what I've been told from friends and family that has been the case in a number of circumstances, people dying of cancer but have had covid on the death cert.

It does call into question the actual death toll, and in this respect I don't think the government have done themselves any favours.

And it has been widely reported that we record covid deaths very differently to the rest of Europe and possibly other countries.

That said seeing as the while world is worried about covid I don't think it's a big conspiracy to control us
I have posted on this forum of such a case regarding a very good friend...

But whatever the origin of the 'virus', governments have taken the opportunity to introduce draconian laws which now control most aspects of our lives and go beyond fighting the 'virus'...

And as regards the UK with no parliamentary scrutiny, thus bypassing the last vestiges of 'democracy'!
 
governments have taken the opportunity to introduce draconian laws which now control most aspects of our lives and go beyond fighting the 'virus'...

Come on, give us a list of things you cannot do now that you could before, that are "draconian".
 
Where have you been for the last year?

Lots of places, some pubs, restaurants, cafes, parks, beaches, friends houses, shops - certainly don't feel like I have been under some sort of Draconian law. I even had a weekend break, with 2 other families, week before last.

Where have you been, North Korea?
 
Lots of places, some pubs, restaurants, cafes, parks, beaches, friends houses, shops - certainly don't feel like I have been under some sort of Draconian law. I even had a weekend break, with 2 other families, week before last.
How many of those activities did you have to wait to get governmental permission to do so?
 
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