Conservatives get massive boost

Bodgedbuild · 20 Jun 2021

Notch7 said:
No, it was wrong.

And in fact they never invoked it and they reversed that line of thinking quickly.

The EU has huge vaccine manufacture capacity and it got complacent, don't forget though, if EU had kept all of its production the UK would be miles behind

Thank you for rather a sensible post, I actually mean that, I'm at work and it all gets a bit much when I am alienated from pretty much all camps because of my Brexit choice and my refusal to applaud the conservatives for everything they do. Gets a bit lonely sitting on a fence!

Notch7 · 20 Jun 2021

Bodgedbuild said:
Thank you for rather a sensible post, I actually mean that, I'm at work and it all gets a bit much when I am alienated from pretty much all camps because of my Brexit choice and my refusal to applaud the conservatives for everything they do. Gets a bit lonely sitting on a fence!

I can understand that -politics in this country has become totally tribal.

I would say most brexiteers, certainly on here tend to be pro Johnson and pro Tory.

I am hated on here by brexiteers as I voted brexit but now believe and debate against it -Im no Europhile, no fan of the EU -but so much of the pro brexit arguments are flawed or untrue.

The political system is totally broken in this country -its a 2 party system and Labour are not a fit opposition as they are deeply split.

Vinty · 20 Jun 2021

Notch7 said:
The political system is totally broken in this country -its a 2 party system

Is that because society itself is broken.

fillyboy · 20 Jun 2021

Notch7 said:
The Single Market is surrounded by the customs union - anything coming from outside of that border is subject to checks.
That is how it works.

The single market has a land border of approx 4000 miles. 20% of all eu customs checks are carried out in Northern Ireland.

And that's while we're in 'grace' period.

Captain Nemesis · 20 Jun 2021

noseall said:
Bodgedbuild said:

Most problems post Brexit are caused by the anger and upset within Barnier and Von Der Leyen and their wish to punish us for leaving, look no further than their appalling disregard for Northern Island, that is particularly repugnant.

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Can anyone find any truth in the above..?

Not this time.

Unless you look for the steganography and use a (Manchester dialect?) 'us' to mean 'our'

Bodgedbuild said:
Most problems post Brexit are caused by the anger and upset within Barnier and Von Der Leyen and their wish to punish us for leaving, look no further than their appalling disregard for Northern Island, that is particularly repugnant.

Bodgedbuild · 20 Jun 2021

Notch7 said:
I can understand that -politics in this country has become totally tribal.

I would say most brexiteers, certainly on here tend to be pro Johnson and pro Tory.

I am hated on here by brexiteers as I voted brexit but now believe and debate against it -Im no Europhile, no fan of the EU -but so much of the pro brexit arguments are flawed or untrue.

The political system is totally broken in this country -its a 2 party system and Labour are not a fit opposition as they are deeply split.

My concern is that the UK would end up like it is in The U.S. People seem to hate each other just because they "vote for the other side". I find myself actually stating "no Brexit or politics" on the rare occasion we have a social gathering, just to avoid the huge arguments it causes!
Trouble now is, I also have to add "no covid conversations" too! Just as well I'm only allowed a few people over at a time really....

IT Minion · 20 Jun 2021

fillyboy said:
The single market has a land border of approx 4000 miles. 20% of all eu customs checks are carried out in Northern Ireland.

And that's while we're in 'grace' period.

Source?

It seems unlikely given that the top 20 busiest ports does not include any in Northern Ireland. And what do Land borders have to do with the island of Ireland? They don't have any customs subdivision.

noseall · 20 Jun 2021

fillyboy said:
And that's while we're in 'grace' period.

Dragged on somewhat. How many years since the vote to leave the EU?

Pathetic that the current (anti-EU) government are actually petrified of leaving the EU and still haven't fathomed a way of doing it thoroughly. Shame on them all. Pathetic does not really cut it.

fillyboy · 20 Jun 2021

IT Minion said:
And what do Land borders have to do with the island of Ireland? They don't have any customs subdivision.

If it's the external border between the cutoms union and other countries, how is it not relevant.

IT Minion said:
It seems unlikely

Agreed, it sounds positively outrageous, could it be our 'friends' in Europe are applying the same rules differently?

Northern Ireland Protocol checks ‘equate to 20% of total undertaken by EU’ - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Captain Nemesis · 20 Jun 2021

Bodgedbuild said:
People seem to hate each other just because they "vote for the other side".

Been that way in N.I. for quite some time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ionists-sinn-fein-dup-elections-a8526466.html

IT Minion · 20 Jun 2021

fillyboy said:
If it's the external border between the cutoms union and other countries, how is it not relevant.

... It isn't for the island of Ireland. The external border is the sea. Land borders are irrelevant. The moon has a circumference of 10,921km therefore there is too much paperwork transporting chilled meat to NI.

Agreed, it sounds positively outrageous, could it be our 'friends' in Europe are applying the same rules differently?

Northern Ireland Protocol checks ‘equate to 20% of total undertaken by EU’ - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

I don't believe those stats. I think the honourable member of Stormont is wrong. 12,000 customs paperwork checks in 2 months? If that's 20% of the EUs volume then that means only 30,000 shipments enter the EU from outside the single market a month. Bullshit.

fillyboy · 20 Jun 2021

IT Minion said:
I don't believe those stats. I think the honourable member of Stormont is wrong. 12,000 customs paperwork checks in 2 months? If that's 20% of the EUs volume then that means only 30,000 shipments enter the EU from outside the single market. Bullshit.

Scarlet Pimpernel · 21 Jun 2021

fillyboy said:
The single market has a land border of approx 4000 miles. 20% of all eu customs checks are carried out in Northern Ireland.

And that's while we're in 'grace' period.

There's a simple explanation:

He said that is because the protocol is affecting domestic food supply chains, whereas regulatory checks on EU imports are mainly bulk movements of international trade commodities.
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/busine...ertaken-by-eu-13629-in-just-one-month-3154251

Domestic food supply chains means lorries full of various goods, i.e. supermarket deliveries. So each pallet of each goods might need checking. A lorry load of fifty items needs fifty checks.
Whereas normally the major movement of goods is a load of a single item, and a single check.
So it is rather a misrepresentation of the true situation.

If the domestic food supply chains re-organise themselves to mimic normal supply chains, each single lorry load of one item will only require one check.

It's yet another oversight by Boris of the outcome of the agreement.

Additionally, Boris's attitude has created an atmosphere of distrust, so each check needs to be conducted scrupulously.

Scarlet Pimpernel · 21 Jun 2021

fillyboy said:

Boris should have read that. The NI Protocol is not doable in its present form, yet Boris agreed to it.

Dr McMahon questioned whether the department could even source the required number of vets and other professionals if it was to try.

“There will need to be some form of accommodation which can render the task doable, as well as the recognition that, as things stand, it’s not doable in its present form.”
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/busine...ertaken-by-eu-13629-in-just-one-month-3154251

So rather than admit that the NI Protocol is not achievable, even though Boris singed up to it, he'd rather create a political storm about it.
Sums Boris up to a tea, do as little as possible, and as slowly as possible.

ellal · 21 Jun 2021

Vinty said:
Is that because society itself is broken.

Society has always been split due to the politics which produced (and widened the gap between) 'haves' and 'have nots'...

Brexit was the final straw that has broken the UK camel's back...

Irretrievably so!

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