Ceiling Pendant Light Fitting?

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Hi all, picked up this old chandelier. Does anyone know what kind of bracket is required to secure it to the ceiling?

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Any advice welcome.

Thanks!
 
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I always use these Maestro ceiling rose for chain supported lights. A bit expensive but Great to use as you slide light into slot after you have done on the wiring. Also great and easy to later take down light to clean it or when you need to repaint.

Also comes in other colours.

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LDMC11E.html
 
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Thank you both, that's plenty for me to investigate. I have to remove the standard rose and replace with this so I'm mainly concerned about finding good secure substrate on the ceiling to adequately support the weight of the light.
 
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The one I showed uses similar placed holes to the ceiling rose that you already have (presuming you have a standard plastic rose).
So if your current rose is well affixed (ie has sound screws into ceiling) you might be able to use the same holes.
Sfk
 
I always use these for chain supported lights.
Also come in other colours.

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LDMC11E.html
Converting that chandelier to use a (Black) Maestro Plug-In Ceiling Rose will cost you a few pounds now
but,
it will make the fitting much easier to install and,
when you wish to clean it in the future, you will find it easy to take it down, clean it on the floor or on a table and then replace it.
 
Thanks for the info. I notice those Maestro Ceiling Roses really are convenient, but also quite deep. That might be an issue because the ceiling is already so low I was going to reduce the chain size to practically nothing. Given that the depth of the rose factors in more because it would cause the chandelier to hang even lower.

Here's a pic of the existing wooden fitting which is damaged and may well be over 50 years old. It's 3.5 inches in diameter and the two existing screw holes are 2.5 inches apart. If I could reuse these two holes that would be a win really!

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The standard ceiling rose should be fixed so it can take 5 kg, I would also use the slide in ceiling rose IMGP0623c.jpg Ceiling rose.jpg it makes it far easier than holding up that weight while connecting it, your cable looks like rubber insulated, likely pre 1966 in which case likely needs a rewire before you fit the chandelier, as likely there is no earth in your wiring and the chandelier you show will need earthing.

So likely you will need a class II lamp until you are ready to rewire.
 
The standard ceiling rose should be fixed so it can take 5 kg, I would also use the slide in ceiling rose View attachment 237650 View attachment 237651 it makes it far easier than holding up that weight while connecting it, your cable looks like rubber insulated, likely pre 1966 in which case likely needs a rewire before you fit the chandelier, as likely there is no earth in your wiring and the chandelier you show will need earthing.
Two of the initial photos show Brown, Blue and Green/Yellow insulated wires, which are virtually certain to be plastic insulated.
Hopefully, the Earth wire IS connected properly!
 
The standard ceiling rose should be fixed so it can take 5 kg, I would also use the slide in ceiling rose View attachment 237650 View attachment 237651 it makes it far easier than holding up that weight while connecting it, your cable looks like rubber insulated, likely pre 1966 in which case likely needs a rewire before you fit the chandelier, as likely there is no earth in your wiring and the chandelier you show will need earthing.

So likely you will need a class II lamp until you are ready to rewire.

Blimey! Thanks for the heads up. Back to the drawing board for me then.
 
Two of the initial photos show Brown, Blue and Green/Yellow insulated wires, which are virtually certain to be plastic insulated.
Hopefully, the Earth wire IS connected properly!
Eric was referring to the cable coming out of the wood patress feeding the existing rose.
 
I agree, I've learnt a lot more than I expected when initially posting what I thought was a very simple question!

So, I was actually thinking of replacing about 6 pendant lights after replastering and decorating the upstairs. Here is the boxroom light which has been half detached. It's an old bakerlite rose, and looks like it has 3 wires attached. I was going to remove it, but may now just try to re-secure it. What I'm unclear about is how to access the screw head. Also, if this is earthed is it likely that all the upstairs lighting is the same?

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It looks like you have 2 neutrals and a live attached to that old ceiling rose.

Cores look like older tinned copper.

Looking at the age of the fittings, it could well be pre-1966, ie without earth. Cables with earth's could have been added to the original circuit with nothing to connect to.

The rose cover unscrews from the base, exposing the fixing screws.

Go round the rose, tapping gently with a pair of pliers or similar to break the seal.
 

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