You're talking about at the time. I'm talking about after the event, ie. "as Brexit unfolds". Please go back to school for lessons on comprehension, Him.
End of painful, pointless spoon-feeding. I can't help you any further.
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You're talking about at the time. I'm talking about after the event, ie. "as Brexit unfolds". Please go back to school for lessons on comprehension, Him.
End of painful, pointless spoon-feeding. I can't help you any further.
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I do not know how the other or any other party or group of advisers want to fix this mess now.
All that you gained so far and probably for the foreseeable future that you are not talking on eye level with the EU countries but starting right at the back of the petition queue, waiting for your number to be pulled. I am still waiting for the newly regained control and sovereignty to show.
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Yes - I know I am talking about at the time, and you are talking about after the event.
Please go back to school for lessons on the futility of trying to make excuses that you could not have known at the time, and that it is only after the event as Brexit unfolds that you could possibly have become aware of the complexities and that were sold a pack of lies.
It was abundantly obvious at the time that it had to be full of complexities - how could it possibly not have been?
It was abundantly obvious at the time that we were being sold a pack of lies.
At the time, nobody who knew the slightest about reality, or bothered to do the most trivial amount of checking, would not have known that.
You screwed up - dont try and weasel out of your responsibility for that by falsely claiming that you couldnt have known when the truth is that what you actually couldnt do was be bothered to find out.
End of painful, pointless spoon-feeding. I can't help you to accept the truth any further.
Who?
The only "sorting out" the government can do, is to get the new GB regulations drafted and published so that we know what we're working with. The rest of it, I'm afraid, can't be sorted. That is just the nature of Brexit, I'm afraid. We voted to make ourselves a third country and now every car that we sell into the EU will have to jump through the same hoops as (say) an American one would.
When I started my career in the late 1980s, every EU country had its own national type approval regulations. Selling across Europe was an absolute pain in the arse! French cars needed those silly yellow headlights, German ones needed parking lights, Italian ones needed a horn that made a particular note (I kid you not). Different exhaust systems for different countries with different noise limits... Absolute nightmare! Then in the early '90s, we (the countries of the EU) finally got our act together and a greed a common set of requirements which, if met, would guarantee unlimited sales in any Member State, without any further tests or red tape. It was paradise for us! Instead of two-dozen sets of similar but infuriatingly different sets of paperwork (and maintaining them as each country amended or updated their regulations), we had ONE! Better still, we got a say in the content of those regulations!
As a result (partially) of this reduction in red tape, car prices came down. (I say "partially", because it was also down to the EU "Block Exemption" regulations that prevented mainland EU manufacturers from ripping British customers off, charging a lot more than they did for the same car on the continent).
I've had Brexiteers say "yeah, but so what? Car manufacturers still sold across Europe before - we can just go back to doing that". However, what they fail to realise, is that back then, the requirements for type approval were a LOT simpler. About 2 dozen separate tests compared to nearer 100 now... Of course, having "taken back control" we can, of course, go back to what we had in the '80s, but there are a couple of problems with that.
Firstly, British consumers would have to accept safety and emissions standards like we had in the '80s;
Second, what keeps most of the cheap tat from China and India out of our country right now, are the tough EU type approval requirements. Remove them, and we'll be knee-deep in "3rd World" cars that British manufacturers simply won't be able to compete with...
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No, it's probably the other way round - you're living in a different (and far more fortunate!) word than the rest of the country! It's been well-publicised, all over the news:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/supermarkets-pingdemic-empty-food-shortage-21115363
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/22/pingdemic-need-know-supermarket-food-supplies
https://www.express.co.uk/life-styl...mic-morrisons-tesco-sainsburys-latest-news-uk
All, of course, blamed on the "pingdemic", but nobody has quite managed to come up with a credible explanation for why this is only happening in the UK when every other country in Europe also has Covid...
Not so much an "omelette" as a "burning sh1t sandwich" in this case....
Yes. And it's not just car industry, of course. EVERYTHING that is regulated (which these days, means pretty much *everything*) is going to have to do the same. I really don't think the Brexiteers have yet understood what they've done to us!
...for which we're all going to be picking up the tab...
That's a bit like the parenting dilemma where the "good" parents are the ones who never object to anything their children do, even if it's wrong. That's not good parenting, of course - just as agreeing with everything the government does and planting a few St. George's crosses in your garden, isn't "patriotism"...
Everything comes at a cost. You have to decide whether you think it’s worth it. I do.
Your opinion is as valid as mine.
I do not see many posts in this thread stating that they hate the UK.
To disagree with a pretty corrupt system is not the same as hating. You will probably also find that some of the people in power were shouting even louder if this kind of behaviour and governing came from a labour government.
If hate is represented in the will or attempt to destroy then I would say the Brexit supporters hate the UK as demonstrated in their current action and also inaction. I am not talking about any fictitious theories how things may pan out - so do not call this scare mongering -, I am talking about the present fall out of the implemented Brexit measures.
All the objections I have raised to Brexit are based on fact. Indeed, you have not disputed them. These lead me to the opinion I have given. You haven't given any (as far as I can see) factual reasons for believing that Brexit should be anything different. Are you going to?Your opinion is as valid as mine.
you've repeatedly told us that you don't care
so you are not competent to perform cost/benefit or risk analysis.
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