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That is unfortunate. She's a nice girl.... she can't help history same I can't or you or anyone that's alive today can do anything about what happened 200 years ago.
I'm not ashamed of our history and nor should anyone. It's about what we can do today to stop the slave trade or the treatment of people such as what's been going on in Quatar..
We need to boycott the next world cup.
I'm not ashamed of our history and nor should anyone. It's about what we can do today to stop the slave trade or the treatment of people such as what's been going on in Quatar..
We need to boycott the next world cup.
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I bet you'd be even more shocked if you found out that his slaves were white.
Imagine a black person owning white slaves. I can see your indignation rising in you now, the horror of it!
Yet we talk about the enslavement of black people as though we have become acclimatised to it.
Of course people will try to emulate the rich and powerful, the ones that are in control, it's human nature and people of all heritages will do exactly the same. So why are you surprised that a black person emulated the rich, powerful, controlling white people in Jamaica?
Moral compass is not the preserve of any specific ethnicity.
Let us also remember that in those times, there was no internet, no radio or television to bring up to date news, just out of date newspapers which few common people could read. Most people's ambitious horizon probably stretched no further than the next village.
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Blacks sold black and white slaves, whites sold black and white slaves. Blacks owned black and white slaves, whites owned black and white slaves. It was fairly common back then, it still continues today. Something that happened centuries ago is not her fault, neither is it the fault of anyone else alive today. The story just goes to show that everyone has a past, some may find that past not to their agenda, but if you try and eradicate it, no one will learn from it.
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Not in the West Indies, nor USA, nor UK during that period. It was only black slaves, predominantly owned by white people.
On the odd occasion that a black person owned slaves was due to their light colour skin that might have allowed them to pass as white.
Did you read your own linked article?
"A historian explains that he will have received preferential treatment, allowing him to prosper, for being light-skinned."
and
" I felt maybe a little bit lost. I wasn’t black enough to be black, I wasn’t white enough to be white. Who am I? Where do I fit?"
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I had a customer who was part of the Hitler Youth. I only ever treated her with kindness. No fault of hers.
It's hard to decipher what your point is, but you seem to be saying it's still outrageous because he was lighter skinned. (phew, relief) Do you have a sliding scale of black-whiteness that you use? What actually happens when the slaver is below your minimum whiteness level?
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My point was very simple, to refute ihavenojob's tortuous claim.
My point was very simple, and had no such undertones as you have read into it. It was clearly your ridiculous interpretation of my comment.
? she, who, what? I was trying to work out what AngleEyes was on about?
Your post was convoluted and hardly related to anything ihavenojob said. But, operating in your own narrow dimension, you probably won't see that.
Slavery - in many forms - has been around for millennia. We cannot judge the past with our evolved and modern-day morals, because it was an economic norm of the time! Human beings were treated as a commodity in civilisations across the planet.
When it comes to race, identifying one particular group singles them out and creates division when in reality all our ancestors have suffered slavery. Tribal leaders in the African kingdoms enslaved their own people and sold the slaves to us for wealth. They also pillaged the coasts of European nations taking slaves of their own. We - the British - enslaved our own people at home and in the 'newfound lands' of the Americas.
Let's accept the fact that slavery has existed for a long time and that we are not responsible for the actions of our ancestors. We paid for the emancipation of all slaves in the 19th Century and continue to advocate a slave-free world -- the success of that advocacy is of course up for debate.
When it comes to race, identifying one particular group singles them out and creates division when in reality all our ancestors have suffered slavery. Tribal leaders in the African kingdoms enslaved their own people and sold the slaves to us for wealth. They also pillaged the coasts of European nations taking slaves of their own. We - the British - enslaved our own people at home and in the 'newfound lands' of the Americas.
Let's accept the fact that slavery has existed for a long time and that we are not responsible for the actions of our ancestors. We paid for the emancipation of all slaves in the 19th Century and continue to advocate a slave-free world -- the success of that advocacy is of course up for debate.
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It appeared to be quite straightforward to me, I've reproduced the first part of each post, for your perusal.
See if you can understand it now.
Although you may still not see it.
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What claim ?
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