Immigrants welcome in Poland, illegal immigrants no chance ......

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If a person sneaks into or arrives in this country without the proper papers, that is an illegal act, they are illegal immigrants. WHEN they claim asylum, they are no longer classed as illegal whilst their case is being heard. They are 'illegal' up to the point they claim asylum.

Himmy stated that it's perfectly legal to cross the channel in a dinghy, enter the country via illegal means and claim asylum. I pointed out that doing so is illegal, up until the point that they claim asylum, then they have the legal protection of asylum laws.
They are refugees up to the point that they claim asylum, then they become asylum seekers.
If you think that being a refugee is illegal, then you're off your trolley.

Then we have the refugees who are rescued, they have not landed, they are not, according to you, 'illegal immigrants', they are refugees, and they can seek asylum while half-way across the channel.
I repeat, no proper papers are needed to seek asylum.
 
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They are refugees up to the point that they claim asylum, then they become asylum seekers.
If you think that being a refugee is illegal, then you're off your trolley.

Then we have the refugees who are rescued, they have not landed, they are not, according to you, 'illegal immigrants', they are refugees, and they can seek asylum while half-way across the channel.
I repeat, no proper papers are needed to seek asylum.

So there is no such thing an an illegal immigrant. OK.
 
So there is no such thing an an illegal immigrant. OK.
Now you are being silly and sulking.
Imagine walking round a supermarket with a packet of something off the shelf. Are you a shopper or a shop lifter?
Obviously you are a shopper, unless and until you try to exit the shop without paying for your goods.
Your status is fixed as a shopper until you avoid paying for them, or unless you try to conceal your goods to avoid paying for them.
If someone passes through checkout, following the required procedures, they remain a perfectly legit shopper.

It's exactly the same for refugees, they are refugees, and by their very description they cannot be illegal. They only change status if they try to avoid detection.
If they claim asylum, they are not trying to avoid detection. Therefore they cannot be illegal.
 
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If they claim asylum, they are not trying to avoid detection. Therefore they cannot be illegal
If they have entered the country illegally, then they are illegal immigrants.
They can claim asylum but it is up to others to decide whether they fulfill the necessary criteria to be considered a genuine refugee.
 
Very interesting, but your whole point avoids the point. The data should exist because the reality exists. Answer my (post 97) question Tony Blair.
You admit that data does not exist, but you claim if it did exist it would support your bigoted theory?
Do you realise how stupid that is? You probably don't. You are looking for the evidence or data to support your bigotry.
An intelligent person looks at the data or evidence to form their opinions. Obviously, you're not in that bracket.
 
If they have entered the country illegally, then they are illegal immigrants.
They can claim asylum but it is up to others to decide whether they fulfill the necessary criteria to be considered a genuine refugee.
Landing in another country and claiming asylum is not illegal, however you land, or from wherever you depart from.

Read my shopper/shop lifter analogy carefully.

If someone arrives as a refugee, they are not illegal, they are refugees and it is not illegal to be a refugee. If someone arrives from a shipwreck they are not illegal, they are a survivor, and it is not illegal to be a survivor.
It is not illegal to pick up an item in a shop and walk round the shop with it. It only becomes illegal if you try to avoid paying for that item.
 
If someone arrives as a refugee
They are not considered refugees until the country they enter illegally decides to grant them refugee status.
There are designated points of entry into the UK, this is where any foreigner seeking asylum is supposed to go.
Entering the country by other means makes them illegal immigrants.
 
They are not considered refugees until the country they enter illegally decides to grant them refugee status.
You clearly cannot differentiate between asylum seekers and refugees. I suggest you study a dictionary before making such a fool of yourself.
There are designated points of entry into the UK, this is where any foreigner seeking asylum is supposed to go.
Kindly tell the forum where these supposed designated points of entry into the UK for refugees are.
Entering the country by other means makes them illegal immigrants.
Nonsense. When you can tell the forum where the supposed designated points of entry are, perhaps you might have a valid argument. Until then your argument is pure fantasy.
 
You clearly cannot differentiate between asylum seekers and refugees. I suggest you study a dictionary before making such a fool of yourself
Any illegal migrant can seek asylum in the UK but they cannot be considered refugees until their claim for refugee status has been upheld by the relevant authorities.
 
Kindly tell the forum where these supposed designated points of entry into the UK for refugees are
Congratulations on your self appointment as spokesperson for this forum.
There are no designated points of entry for refugees into the UK, simply because these people are not considered refugees when they arrive, they can claim asylum status until their case is heard and if their claim is successful they can the be considered refugees.
 
Imagine walking round a supermarket with a packet of something off the shelf. Are you a shopper or a shop lifter?
Obviously you are a shopper, unless and until you try to exit the shop without paying for your goods.
Your status is fixed as a shopper until you avoid paying for them, or unless you try to conceal your goods to avoid paying for them.
If someone passes through checkout, following the required procedures, they remain a perfectly legit shopper.

Imagine walking round the same supermarket with a packet of something off the shelf, but the shop happens to be closed. Are you a shopper, no, you're a ******* burglar.
 
Kindly tell the forum where these supposed designated points of entry into the UK for refugees are.
Im pretty sure it's not any old stretch of beach near Dover.
What about those that died in the back of that lorry? What designated point of entry were they heading for?
 
There are designated points of entry into the UK, this is where any foreigner seeking asylum is supposed to go.

There are no designated points of entry for refugees into the UK,
You are contradicting yourself now.

Entering the country by other means makes them illegal immigrants.
Right, let's get this clear.
It isn't illegal to be an asylum seeker, nor a refugee. It is a fundamental human right.
There are no designated entry points into the UK for asylum seekers, despite your earlier nonsensical claim.
So anyone arriving anywhere, as an asylum seeker is not illegal. Anyone arriving in UK as an asylum seeker are exercising their fundamental human right, and no national legislation can legislate away anyone's human rights.
Therefore Asylum seekers are not entering illegally, they are entering UK to exercise their perfectly legal human right, and nothing you or fillyboy says can deny them their fundamental human right.
 
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