Suprise Suprise ....France doesn't want them back !

Vinty · 1 Dec 2021

AngleEyes said:
Why would US/UK want to go to war with Yemen?
Your assertion is ridiculous

Yemen is an Iranian proxy.
Former British colony which is still strategically important to both America and Britain.
If it wasn’t important why would they support their own Saudi Arabian proxy in its genocidal war against Yemen.
Also the fact that the US/UK earn billions in arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

Vinty · 1 Dec 2021

https://www.csis.org/analysis/america-saudi-arabia-and-strategic-importance-yemen

Vinty · 1 Dec 2021

Notch7 said:
all of which would have happened with or without Blair -he made no material difference.

by the way, the UK government voted for Iraq, Syria etc

Based on lies by our very own Prime minister

lastmuffininbrussels · 1 Dec 2021

Notch7 said:
Brexit Britain, Blackwall tunnel

Argh How Lovely the brexiteeers show their alternative Christmas greetings. The lovely fishermen of Hastings now are stopping RNLI boats from saving people from drowning. What a beautiful Country we live in where hatred and intolerance can breed such patriots. God save the Queen and all that!

Notch7 · 1 Dec 2021

Vinty said:
Also the fact that the US/UK earn billions in arms sales to Saudi Arabia

But the Tory govt support arms to Saudi.

but you claimed it was Tony Blair

Notch7 · 1 Dec 2021

Vinty said:
Based on lies by our very own Prime minister

and you think the Tory government wouldnt have gone to war with USA.

and even if they didnt, USA would still have toppled Saddam

have you not noticed how much the Tory govt love the USA -Steve Bannon helped Johnson with his election campaign.

AngleEyes · 1 Dec 2021

Vinty said:
Yemen - proxy war initiated US/UK.
Saudia Arabia is the proxy in this case.

The instability in Yemen started due to internal political instability.
Saudi Arabia and other Mid East (mainly Sunni) became concerned about the increasing power of the Shia faction.
They assumed that the Shia in Yemen were supported by Iran.
It was not initiated by UK, nor US.
Although, as usual they take advantage to sell arms.

Vinty said:
Yemen is an Iranian proxy.

According to Saudi Arabia, who are pursuing a inter-Muslim war. Sunni V Shia.

Vinty said:
Former British colony which is still strategically important to both America and Britain.

Most of the Mid East are former British colonies.

Vinty said:
If it wasn’t important why would they support their own Saudi Arabian proxy in its genocidal war against Yemen.
Also the fact that the US/UK earn billions in arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

You've answered your own question.

Notch7 · 1 Dec 2021

lastmuffininbrussels said:
Argh How Lovely the brexiteeers show their alternative Christmas greetings. The lovely fishermen of Hastings now are stopping RNLI boats from saving people from drowning. What a beautiful Country we live in where hatred and intolerance can breed such patriots. God save the Queen and all that!

fermenting hatred of foreigners using fear is a trusted method for the right

Trump said "Mexicans are rapists and murderers, some of them might even be good people"

Notch7 · 1 Dec 2021

AngleEyes said:
The instability in Yemen started due to internal political instability.
Saudi Arabia and other Mid East (mainly Sunni) became concerned about the increasing power of the Shia faction.
They assumed that the Shia in Yemen were supported by Iran.
It was not initiated by UK, nor US.
Although, as usual they take advantage to sell arms.

According to Saudi Arabia, who are pursuing a inter-Muslim war. Sunni V Shia.

Most of the Mid East are former British colonies.

You've answered your own question.

As much as Vinty wants to make it a tribal political argument, Blair is not any more to blame than any other UK leader in this.

AngleEyes · 1 Dec 2021

Notch7 said:
As much as Vinty wants to make it a tribal political argument, Blair is not any more to blame than any other UK leader in this.

You can't blame Vinty, he gets all of his information from skim reading the first few words of my comments, apparently.

Would any post WW2 PM have not followed POTUS?
Harold? Jim? John? are the only ones possible I can think of.
And of course in Harold's and Jim's time, it would never have occurred.

JohnD · 1 Dec 2021

securespark said:
Offensive.

my apologies.

transam · 1 Dec 2021

Thousands of UK jobs depend on flogging arms to the Saudis and others
Some of
the tax revenue from the arms sales probably end up in funding some of the NHS

Vinty · 1 Dec 2021

Notch7 said:
As much as Vinty wants to make it a tribal political argument, Blair is not any more to blame than any other UK leader in this.

In some other countries, Blair would be hanging upside down from a bridge.
In western Europe he is treated as a statesman by the establishment.
The problem is there is no penalty for failure in these so called democracies.

fillyboy · 1 Dec 2021

AngleEyes said:
Are you suggesting UK return all refugees without assessing any of their applications? I realise that UK wants to abdicate its international responsibilities, (just like Trump) and Boris has form for abdicating his personal responsibilities, but that's no way to present a country on the world stage.

Why not?, the EU is.

EU considers suspending asylum seeker rights in countries bordering Belarus (theworldnews.net)

The European Union is considering suspending some rights belonging to asylum seekers in countries bordering Belrus amid the on-going European migrant crisis.

In proposals put forward by the European Commission, the EU's executive arm led by President Ursula von der Leyen, countries would be allowed to hold asylum seekers at border camps for up to four months, and would allow for faster deportations.

The proposals are the latest EU attempt to deal with what it describes as a crisis manufactured by Minsk.

AngleEyes · 2 Dec 2021

fillyboy said:
Why not?, the EU is.
EU considers suspending asylum seeker rights in countries bordering Belarus (theworldnews.net)
The European Union is considering suspending some rights belonging to asylum seekers in countries bordering Belrus amid the on-going European migrant crisis.

In proposals put forward by the European Commission, the EU's executive arm led by President Ursula von der Leyen, countries would be allowed to hold asylum seekers at border camps for up to four months, and would allow for faster deportations.

The proposals are the latest EU attempt to deal with what it describes as a crisis manufactured by Minsk.

An obviously misleading headline. It'll get Vinty twitching, because he only reads a few words of articles, and bases his arguments on those few words.
The proposals will still be to treat asylum seekers far better than UK does currently.
After four months the asylum seekers will be allowed access to EU countries. Or their application will have been denied, and they are repatriated.

Currently in UK it takes, on average, up to a year to process asylum applications. Then appeals can take many years, and eventually failed asylum seekers are turfed out on to the street, penniless and homeless. Only a tiny number are repatriated.

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