L.E.D Bulbs Switchover

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I hear the Government is now run by Great Guilttrip Thunberg and so we all have to have the L.E.D insect lighting in our homes.

Anyone else hate this lighting?

Is this going to revert to sanity in the future, or is this part of the Great Reset Generation Insect?
 
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Have got used to it, although there seems to be fewer types available in warm white than in cool white. Keeps the bills down too. We'll also all have to get used to more wind turbines, a small price to pay for delivery of power, even if - especially if - you live in the countryside.

Blup
 
Well lets explore the alternatives...

"Dear Mr Rideforever,
We are writing to inform you that current and projected power demand analysis indicates that this region requires new, high power generation installations to 'keep the lights on'.
Please be assured that the new local nuclear power generation facility being considered for this area will be a net positive to the environment and will pose no real or likely danger to you or your family.
However, Nuclear power as with all technologies, requires a reasonable level of precaution and your home is destined to be downstream of the facility and also be in the E-E-A (Emergency Evacuation Area) we will be sending you shelter-in-place procedures and training in the near future.

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding."
 
Do you know that france has 60 nuclear power stations and China is building 150 new nuclear stations.
Do you know that ?
All countries are.
So ... we are going to do the same. All this Greta nonsense means nothing. We don't need to stop breathing to save the goddam "environment" (wherever that is) ...
All this wind turbine crap is completely unnecessary and like many things is simply trying to make people feel guilty or something.
If you ruin all the lighting you live under you may as well not live.
If you feel that bad.
As for us ... we have vast quantities of dirty ugly waste sitting in swimming pools in cumbria ... it's done.
There's no going back.
All this nonsense from the idiotic windmills LEDs and separating your recyling ... is like a placebo for people who need to feel good. It's not an enginerring solution.
 
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Do you know that france has 60 nuclear power stations and China is building 150 new nuclear stations.
France has 56 operable reactors, all of which are around 40 years old and are approaching end of life. There are plans to extend some of those to a 60 year life, most of which haven't been approved yet.
70% of electricity in France is generated from nuclear power. French government policy is to reduce that to 50% by 2035.

China currently has 17 reactors under construction, and another 37 where construction is due to start in the next few years.
There are another 168 sites where nuclear reactors have been proposed, but none of those have been approved, and there are no dates for construction or anything else.

So ... we are going to do the same.
The UK will not have any significant additional nuclear power. Hinkley Point C is under construction, but won't be generating for another 7 or 8 years at least.
Another reactor at Sellafield is proposed, but is not confirmed and it's fairly likely it will never be built.
There are 12 operable reactors in the UK, most of which are already beyond end of life, and around half will be closed by 2025.
Building nuclear reactors is ridiculously expensive and takes the better part of a decade. Every other form of generation is cheaper by far.

All countries are.
Other than China and a few others, most countries are reducing the amount of nuclear generation mainly due to policy and existing reactors reaching end of life.

All this wind turbine crap is completely unnecessary
Wind provided around 50% of UK electricity today. Without it, no one would have any electricity.

Some LED lamps are poor quality, don't last and provide a very poor quality of light.
Most of them are not.

The shift to LED lighting is one of the reasons that UK electricity consumption has fallen significantly since 2005.
 
@flameport
Countries that have ordered new nuclear stations include:
Slovakia, Turkey, UAE, USA, Bangladesh, Iran, Korean, Russia, India, France, Bangladesh, Argentina, Pakistan, Finland, Belarus
see https://world-nuclear.org/

All this virtue signalling just means nothing when the bank arrives.
Just look at Europe slurping up the new Russia gas pipelines.
It's all just for the dumb middle class who can tell their friends they have solar panels on their extension and get invited to dinner parties.
All this nonsense is finished.
Just like electric cars ... listen to the MD of JCB talking about them, they are useless and not fit for purpose and as soon as the accountants come all this nonsense is finished as well.
Inflation is going up, population is going up ... the accountants are coming and the little party that BoJo has with the virtue signallers is going to end.
Evenin Germany its going to end.
 
It's thought that from start to finish, a nuclear power station never actually becomes a net energy producer.
The amount of non-generated power used by a nuclear power plant is enormous. Likely, without fossil fuels, they wouldn't be viable at all.
 
I hear the Government is now run by Great Guilttrip Thunberg and so we all have to have the L.E.D insect lighting in our homes.

Anyone else hate this lighting?

What's not to like? Lower bills, almost no lamps to change regularly when they fail. Generally better light.
 
Even trolls need to learn to understand statistics, simply for self-preservation. However I don't mind it you don't.
Ha ... you have nothing to say. It is after all not very common for people to put their cosy view of the world on the line. It is easy to stay under the duvet and imagine everythign is going to be alright !!!
 
It's thought that from start to finish, a nuclear power station never actually becomes a net energy producer.
The amount of non-generated power used by a nuclear power plant is enormous. Likely, without fossil fuels, they wouldn't be viable at all.
I don't know what you mean?
They do generate power !
Perhaps you can explain.
 
The uk is actually a very windy place.
We have a massive amount of coastline for the landmass.

managed correctly, we could develop wind/wave energy into an export industry and stick two fingers up to opec
 
The uk is actually a very windy place.
We have a massive amount of coastline for the landmass.

managed correctly, we could develop wind/wave energy into an export industry and stick two fingers up to opec

That is very unlikely, unless we develop a constant source of the perfect wind. Wave energy was tried and was a miserable failure. Nuclear, is guaranteed to work, irrespective of the wind or the wave height and is what we need.
 
Be it Nuclear or hydro we look for generators with rotating mass to take up the load, most solar panels and wind farms use inverters so there is little rotating mass, however that is a different to use of LED bulbs, I have a problem with LED in that we have no idea which have strobe effects and which don't.

I fitted a G9 lamp in wife's bedroom, I said I did not like G9 from start, but SMBO said she wanted them. So G9-comp.jpgthe little lamp flashed when switched off, and there was a shimmer when switched on, the large lamp no flash and no shimmer and opened one to find a rather large smoothing capacitor after the rectifier. Nearly as large as the small lamp.

So some people have head aches due to shimmer, and there is nothing to tell the buyer which is which.
 
So some people have head aches due to shimmer, and there is nothing to tell the buyer which is which.

I notice, but I'm not affected by shimmer. I can see it from the florescents I do still have around the place, but I'm unable to see any from the mostly now LED's in almost all other lighting.

I suffered a regular off, back on flash from my latest lighting upgrade, a single lamp on a dimmer, where two identical lamps on another identical dimmer had no issues. That flashing has now stopped without any action from me.
 
With 5 x G9 replace one with a tungsten or larger version it also stopped the problems with the other LED lamps, I would assume some reaction with the electronic switch, which allows us to switch bedroom lights on/off in bed with a remote control, I would assume with hard wired two way lighting the problem would not be there.

My daughter has a problem with living room lights, it does not affect us, but we can't really test bulbs, there is nothing on the bulb to say if pulse width modulated driver, resistor driver, or capacitor driver, if there is a smoothing capacitor or not, and how much leakage in each bulb to stop flashing when off.

Although I am using electronic switches without neutrals (Energenie) the way we run the supply to switch and back results in some capacitive and/or inductive leaking, which increases with two way switching, bulbs must state if not suitable for dimming, but that is all they need to do.

So it is simply pot luck, I have a draw full of bulbs where my selection has been wrong, be it output, or flashing, or shimmer, or swapping to some smart bulb, in the old days of tungsten this stock would soon diminish, but since going LED I think two bulbs/tubes have failed, as to if low failure rate is due to having SPD fitted don't know, son seems to have had far more failures which he blames on cheap bulbs.

It may be correct, failure rate may be due to cheap bulbs, but the two which failed with me, the replacement for a fluorescent tube was not cheap, although that was in the house he now has, with no SPD, and the colour changing smart bulb (GU10) also not cheap.

In fact it was the cheap G9 which cured my shimmer problem, OK one did stop working within a day, which I opened to see what was inside, found dry joints, re-soldered and put back in service, which is why I know it has a large smoothing capacitor inside.

Energenie publish a chart saying what make and size of bulbs have been tested and which had no sign of shimmer, or flashing, however my own experience does not match.

I have also had smart switches and sockets fail, and have moved to smart bulbs and plug in adaptors as easier to correct when they fail, main reason for smart devices is fibre board flooring meaning adding extra lights and hard wired switches is not easy, so lights are timed to switch on/off and power failure is protected against using rechargeable torches which light rather than emergency lights fitted to last house.

My days of lifting floors or making holes in ceilings to tread cables are over, unless no other option, yes the hard wired is better in most cases, but often no option, my son with his last house had a server in the loft and LAN points everywhere including one at each radiator point to work the TRV, however you simply can't buy hard wire TRV heads, they are either wifi or bluetooth, so we have no option, can't hard wire even if we want to.

It seems all through my life technology has changed making hard wired devices redundant. I had coax to all rooms from a central spliter/booster with DC through to power the digi eyes so I could change program on the sky box from any room, this was OK with 14 inch TV, today with 28 inch being around the smallest coax not good enough, and sky Q no longer uses digi eyes.

The same applies to telephone and fax machines, again all hard wired, now all redundant, have not used fax or slow scan TV for years. And as to telex, which was considered as legal document, which fax and email are not.

Laws and rules can't keep up, there is a law on outside lights maximum wattage without planning permission of 150 watt, however as far as I am aware never updated to lumen. It would be some where around 2000 to 2500 lumen, but seems law never updated. So LED for outdoors should be around 20 watt maximum, but there is no such limit.

Regulations, laws and rules are not keeping up with technology.
 

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