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Hoping that someone might have some ideas what is causing the slow heat-up of my house.

Boiler is a Vaillant EcoTech Pro28 combi and is controlled by a Hive system, thermostat in a bedroom. Rad temp set on boiler to 75C

If I switch the heating on at 3.00/4.00 when the house is at perhaps 16C, then it will be on constantly and might just about reach temperature of 19.5C by the time I go to bed at 10.00. Overnight (8 hours) with the heating off, the temperature might drop 3 degrees or so, but will then take hours to get back to temperature the next day. External temps at the moment, are maybe 1-4C ovenight, 3-7C during the day. Getting from 16C to 18C might only take a couple of hours, then gets slower and slower (so 18C to 19C will be 2 hours+)

I have bled the radiators and they all feel hot to the touch whilst heating is on. I have put that reflective padding behind the ones on exterior walls. Loft is reasonably well insulated. House is a conventional 1950s, brick 3 bed detatched, relatively modern windows/doors, no obvious draughts. Cavity is not insulated (looked into that - first company told me cavity was damp and should not be insulated, second told me no issues and they could insulate. Whilst we have no obvious damp issues, I guess the former had less of a reason to lie!) It has an attached garage and a single story kitchen extension on the side. It does have a reasonably large conservatory on the back - 10-15 years old. This was orignally built as a separate room and then the wall was taken out later, opening it up to the rest of the house, so would technically not meet building regs.

I have only had the house a year, so unsure if it has always been so slow to heat. I guess the obvious answer is that the central heating struggles to compensate for the heat loss through the conservatory. But I would have expected greater heat loss overnight when the system is off if that was the case. Every time I submit my meter readings, I expect to get a horrific bill through where the heating has ben on for so many hours a day. However, so far the gas usage is not excessive - I guess that might mean the water is being returned to the boiler relatively hot, so it is not having to work too hard to get it back to temp?

So, my questions are is this heat up time very unusual (I had only lived in much smaller, easier to heat places prior to this, so not completely sure what is normal)? And is there anything else I can try to improve the performance? Long-term plan is to replace the conservatory with a brick structure, but that will be a few years away. Baby on the way later this year, so would like to make sure things are nice and warm before next winter!
 
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You may have the rad temperature set on 75° but what is the max output set at? I don't know if yours is the same but on my Ecotec plus 18Kw, I can set the maximum output down to about 8Kw or so. I currently have mine set on 64°C flow temperature and 15Kw max output. It's done through the settings so you will have to look up in your handbook to see how to do it on yours.
 
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If it were me:

Do a heat calc and judge if the boiler is ok.
If it is, make sure it is set up properly.
Service the system, make sure the rads are all flushed out, system cleaned, etc.
I'd give it some help by TRV'ing every rad (using smarts with the hive) or go Wiser/Honeywell

Because i want to tell you to move the thermostat out of the bedroom, but that means you just have one thermostat only and really, that's old tech. Make every room its own stat with a rad valve.

Have a read through some recent threads in this sub.

And be very, very slow to get the cavity filled.....
 
You may have the rad temperature set on 75° but what is the max output set at? I don't know if yours is the same but on my Ecotec plus 18Kw, I can set the maximum output down to about 8Kw or so. I currently have mine set on 64°C flow temperature and 15Kw max output. It's done through the settings so you will have to look up in your handbook to see how to do it on yours.

Just had a look at the manual - can't see any reference to adjusting the output
 
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If it were me:

Do a heat calc and judge if the boiler is ok.
If it is, make sure it is set up properly.
Service the system, make sure the rads are all flushed out, system cleaned, etc.
I'd give it some help by TRV'ing every rad (using smarts with the hive) or go Wiser/Honeywell

Because i want to tell you to move the thermostat out of the bedroom, but that means you just have one thermostat only and really, that's old tech. Make every room its own stat with a rad valve.

Have a read through some recent threads in this sub.

And be very, very slow to get the cavity filled.....

What do you mean by a heat calc exactly? So, I should be able to get to a figure that I can then compare to the specified output of the boiler?
 
Just had a look at the manual - can't see any reference to adjusting the output
Yours may be set on auto. Mine doesn't like that so I choose the maximum output.


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Setting the heating partial load
The heating partial load of the Vaillant ecoTEC plus boiler is
factory set to "auto". This means that the boiler independ-
ently determines the optimum heating output depending on
the current heat demand of the system. A setting is nor-
mally no longer required. If you still want to set a fixed
maximum heating partial load, you can set a value under
diagnosis code "D.000", which equates to the boiler output
in kW.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/538738/Vaillant-Ecotec-Plus-Series.html?page=53
 
Hoping that someone might have some ideas what is causing the slow heat-up of my house.

Boiler is a Vaillant EcoTech Pro28 combi and is controlled by a Hive system, thermostat in a bedroom. Rad temp set on boiler to 75C

If I switch the heating on at 3.00/4.00 when the house is at perhaps 16C, then it will be on constantly and might just about reach temperature of 19.5C by the time I go to bed at 10.00. Overnight (8 hours) with the heating off, the temperature might drop 3 degrees or so, but will then take hours to get back to temperature the next day. External temps at the moment, are maybe 1-4C ovenight, 3-7C during the day. Getting from 16C to 18C might only take a couple of hours, then gets slower and slower (so 18C to 19C will be 2 hours+)

I have bled the radiators and they all feel hot to the touch whilst heating is on. I have put that reflective padding behind the ones on exterior walls. Loft is reasonably well insulated. House is a conventional 1950s, brick 3 bed detatched, relatively modern windows/doors, no obvious draughts. Cavity is not insulated (looked into that - first company told me cavity was damp and should not be insulated, second told me no issues and they could insulate. Whilst we have no obvious damp issues, I guess the former had less of a reason to lie!) It has an attached garage and a single story kitchen extension on the side. It does have a reasonably large conservatory on the back - 10-15 years old. This was orignally built as a separate room and then the wall was taken out later, opening it up to the rest of the house, so would technically not meet building regs.

I have only had the house a year, so unsure if it has always been so slow to heat. I guess the obvious answer is that the central heating struggles to compensate for the heat loss through the conservatory. But I would have expected greater heat loss overnight when the system is off if that was the case. Every time I submit my meter readings, I expect to get a horrific bill through where the heating has ben on for so many hours a day. However, so far the gas usage is not excessive - I guess that might mean the water is being returned to the boiler relatively hot, so it is not having to work too hard to get it back to temp?

So, my questions are is this heat up time very unusual (I had only lived in much smaller, easier to heat places prior to this, so not completely sure what is normal)? And is there anything else I can try to improve the performance? Long-term plan is to replace the conservatory with a brick structure, but that will be a few years away. Baby on the way later this year, so would like to make sure things are nice and warm before next winter!
If your rads are hot, but not warming the house, they're not putting the heat out. You could change them for larger ones, or following the thread below, change them to a more modern type with higher heat output for a given water temperature. Latter likely to be more practical.

https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/are-new-radiators-more-efficient.585335/
 
As @fixitflav , if the rads are the same age as the house they may be bunged up or may be undersized or both! Starting point is heatloss calcs (Google it), work out the heatloss for your rooms, look up the output power of your rads and see if they're close.
 
If I switch the heating on at 3.00/4.00 when the house is at perhaps 16C, then it will be on constantly and might just about reach temperature of 19.5C by the time I go to bed at 10.00. Overnight (8 hours) with the heating off, the temperature might drop 3 degrees or so,

That rapid fall to 3C suggests to me you must have some massive heat loss. Mine might drop from 19C to maybe 17C over an overnight period of 12 hours with no heat input demanded at all during that 12 hours -stat programmed to 16C. Last night outside it dropped to 3.2C, the coldest it got in here was 16.9C, just before the heating fired up at 10am this morning, to increase the temperature to it's programmed 18C, which it had stabilised at 30 minutes later.
 
Take a look at the amount of time the boiler is firing, and the quantity of gas consumed per hour (read the gas meter). As a guestimate each 1m3 of gas per hour equates to about 10kW, so if your boiler was really burning at 30kW you'd use about 3m3 of gas per hour.
Secondly look at the flow temperature rise when the boiler starts to burn gas. Does it rise steadily, or quickly?
It may be the case that your boiler has a partially blocked heat exchanger, so the heating water flow through it is being restricted.
When you 'feel' the rads, are they warm/hot all over their surface, including in the middle of the lower edge?

PS It's a combi boiler. Check for hot taps dripping, and also ensure that any 'hot water pre-heat' function is turned off.
 
Thanks all for the advice. Did some BTU calcs last night and looks like the rads are significantly undersized, especially in hall/stairs/landing and the kitchen/conservatory. Will start off with a couple of new rads for the problem areas and get the system flushed through at the same time. I'm hoping that a properly sized rad for hall/landing will make quite a difference and stop so much heat being drawn out of the other rooms.
 
How old is the boiler? If you’re unsure, look at the serial number and quote the first 4 numbers.
 
Not sure on the age - we weren't left any documentation for it, but serial starts 2113
 
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