air vent type?

DP · 10 Jul 2007

I chave started reading the post of late and have not look at the thread as a whole.

All I do is service and repair. So far have have condemned more fluless fires than any other.

You will not know when the fire is spilling POC into the room as you will not wake up. Enough said. Some people do not want to listen.

Regularly get asked to fit a flueless fore. Always decline as they are an accident failing to happen. ODS that should shut the fire down, did not function in a incident in Wales killing a girl and her dog.

doyle · 10 Jul 2007

adi

well their is dead bodies but im not going to go in this one.

yes the overall numbers are low as yet, but that does not take away disaster waiting to happen, i think that is the biggest bug bear about flueless everyone is anticipating more to come and we certainly dont want it to come, we dont want to be the guy who has assisted in death no matter how well we perform the job and who responsibility it is.

as former hgv driver an old work collegue was traveling at night m5 clear as a bell just him and another truck, a short time after their was a fatality accident or not so accident but suicide of a motor cyclist speeding and straight into the back of the wagon, bending the cow catcher underneath and apparently decapitating the motor bike rider. even though it was suicide and gained suicide verdict this did not ease the concience of my fellow collegue.

even though he done no wrong and was perfect in his work guilt takes over in any tragedy that causes persons to judge themselves and feel that they are at fault.
please do not knock this story as it is real, i use it only to shed light as to why and what fors, its not a case that gas men are arrogant or stubben, we have a conscience that we like to keep clean.

hope you appreciate it as our conscience is keeping people alive, if we didnt have it we wouldnt even bother to do work properly.

steveadi · 10 Jul 2007

try here http://www.castironfires.com/detail.asp?id=926

bobthebender · 11 Jul 2007

steveadi said:
try here http://www.castironfires.com/detail.asp?id=926[/QUOTE]

I've been fitting them for years in council flats/houses to try and stop people covering the vents.

steveadi · 11 Jul 2007

I've been fitting them for years in council flats/houses to try and stop people covering the vents.

I was looking into flueless until i read this thread last night,ive decided to have an electric fire and see how it goes.

doyle · 13 Jul 2007

rather silly quote who ever placed the orignal one steve.

ive been fitting them in coucil ouses and flat to prevetn people covering the vents........vents that size can only lead to vents being covered over.

bobthebender · 13 Jul 2007

doyle said:
rather silly quote who ever placed the orignal one steve.

ive been fitting them in coucil ouses and flat to prevetn people covering the vents........vents that size can only lead to vents being covered over.

When you service 1,000 bbu's a year and see all the little old ladys covering the vents because of the draughts you report back to the council and they ask you to fit draughtproof black hole vents like the ones above.
Now i know you have not been doing this job for very long and have probably never seen a black hole other than in star trek but please believe me that they do work.

doyle · 13 Jul 2007

yeah!!! ill take your word on it bob, your also right about the black hole never seen one. i know even with 50cm2 people cover em up coz it gets cold so i would have thought that it would have created further negative affect rather than a possitive one.
i stand corrected but otherwise have learned something new thanks

adiwill · 16 Aug 2007

blimey i'd forgotten about this thread..

Anyway, talking of vents, the manufacturer recommends a particualr type (cant remember the name) which has the same rating as a standard vent, but with internal baffles to prevent draughts.

And no, i'm still not convinced.. chinese whispers, theories and scaremongering.. zero or very very little fact, and none which comes from first hand experience.

Sorry, but to a rational person, that aint enough.. the fire stays.

You can be safe in the knowledge that the fire is signed off, the proper vent fitted, and a good CO detector is now in the room. I'll have it checked regularly and maintained properly. Will that make you all a bit happier?

Perhaps i'll come back to this thread in another year and ask how many of you have encountered potentially lethal problems or a cat failure actually occurring with these fires.. my guess is that there wont be many answers.

nickso · 16 Aug 2007

adiwill said:
blimey i'd forgotten about this thread..

Anyway, talking of vents, the manufacturer recommends a particualr type (cant remember the name) which has the same rating as a standard vent, but with internal baffles to prevent draughts.

core vent?

And no, i'm still not convinced.. chinese whispers, theories and scaremongering.. zero or very very little fact, and none which comes from first hand experience.

theories sometimes lead to fact. i dont believe its scaremongering either. general concern for a rather pointless situation is what i'd class it as.

Perhaps i'll come back to this thread in another year and ask how many of you have encountered potentially lethal problems or a cat failure actually occurring with these fires.. my guess is that there wont be many answers.

its your funeral mate.

sooey · 16 Aug 2007

Perhaps i'll come back to this thread in another year and ask how many of you have encountered potentially lethal problems or a cat failure actually occurring with these fires.. my guess is that there wont be many answers.

You may well be right no one cares except you, but if you leave it for six or seven years you may find that you get a lot of answers, thats the reason people do not want to fit them. You came on here originally to ask about ventilation for your dodgy fire, you got good advice and have acted upon it so you say, so why keep this thread going. Either you are working to try and justify to gas installers, the use of catalytic converter technology in place of flue systems, probably on behalf of a manufacturer. Or you are just a bloody minded individual who likes a good argument, the more you keep this going the more I suspect the former, either way you are not going to change gas installers views on these things so I wouldn't bother if I were you.

namsag · 16 Aug 2007

The vent your after is called a Black hole...

adiwill · 19 Aug 2007

Thanks namsag.. much appreciated.

sooey said:
You came on here originally to ask about ventilation for your dodgy fire, you got good advice and have acted upon it so you say, so why keep this thread going.

i'm not keeping it going.. you lot are.. the last post i made about it was nearly six weeks ago.. yet other people have added to it since then.. so thats a crazy statement. I came on last week justto have a look and signed off the thread yet again..

Either you are working to try and justify to gas installers, the use of catalytic converter technology in place of flue systems, probably on behalf of a manufacturer. Or you are just a b****y minded individual who likes a good argument, the more you keep this going the more I suspect the former, either way you are not going to change gas installers views on these things so I wouldn't bother if I were you.

and i thought *I* was cynical .. sure i like a good argument.. but i was also seeking out facts.. and like i said.. i never got them. Knee jerk reactions with any solid facts or evidence and a lot of guesswork.

I'd like to say thanks to the people who actually offered advice.. these people were helpful. The rest of you (the majority) who just came back with 'you're going to die' etc..well.. its hardly professional is it.

ONe thing we agree on though is that the thread is going nowhere.. i suggest it gets locked by a mod.

adiwill · 14 Dec 2008

this may come as a shock... but... still alive guys...

anyone got any facts and figures yet?

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