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doitall · 9 Sep 2007

Your guessing again Chris.

We have been talking about changing the site for up to 2 years because the members wanted to get away from just being a forum and develope a proper web site. We were unable to do that with the previous set-up.

I cannot remember a post saying they were pulling the plug on the 1st Sept, but if you narrow it down I can look it up in the archieves give or take a month or two, and in any case its next Sept 1st not this one.

The guy I asked, who just happens to be a Computer wizz kidd assures me the most likely problem was a maintanence hiccup, and if you read the link I posted they had loads of problems over the last couple of weeks, It has nothing to do with money and a re-boot would probably be all thats needed.

But why bother we had all but vacated the premises

The Baker · 9 Sep 2007

One reason for the reboot of the old site could be a "re-direct" for blokes who find it IT technically difficult to find the new site without a link "not the full address

) to the new site.

PS I object to those who are just dying to settle not old scores, and others who have an axe to grind but dont have the worldly-ness to realise they are harming the one association that is achieving a bit of success for those at the sharp end of our industry, the registered gas installer.

Tim

chrishutt · 9 Sep 2007

doitall said:
We have been talking about changing the site for up to 2 years because the members wanted to get away from just being a forum and develope a proper web site. We were unable to do that with the previous set-up.

Unable because Phil Cooper would not allow you access to do so - we know that, but we don't know why. There's a clear example of ARGI secrecy. Surely you're not suggesting that nobody ever discussed the problem with Philip?

We also know that the need to improve/develop the site had been discussed way back, but nothing happened for almost 2 years so you can hardly argue that the members knew that changes were coming last month! It's clearly taken most members by surprise.

As for my reference to a Committee member mentioning a September deadline, I can't access the old site to find this again and I don't suppose you can either. I did however post about this point on ARGI in the last days of August with an indication of how to search for it. If you have some special access that the rest of us are denied you might want to look at that again.

chrishutt · 9 Sep 2007

The Baker said:
I object to those who are just dying to settle not old scores, and others who have an axe to grind but dont have the worldly-ness to realise they are harming the one association that is achieving a bit of success

Some would say that it is those like yourself who try to stifle open discussion and democracy in ARGI who are harming it. You can't expect to do that without making enemies along the way.

bripl · 9 Sep 2007

chrishutt said:
The Baker said:

I object to those who are just dying to settle not old scores, and others who have an axe to grind but dont have the worldly-ness to realise they are harming the one association that is achieving a bit of success

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Some would say that it is those like yourself who try to stifle open discussion and democracy in ARGI who are harming it. You can't expect to do that without making enemies along the way.

chris if you dealt with the facts instead of hearsay and rumour you may get somewhere

if you were a red indian your name would be

chief talking b0110x

chrishutt · 9 Sep 2007

bripl said:
chris if you dealt with the facts instead of hearsay and rumour you may get somewhere

I'd love to deal with the facts. Are you or anyone else from ARGI going to reveal what they are, answering the questions I've asked?

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

Phillip gave the RGI The Association Of Registered Gas Installers, if he wants too sit in the background and let the members run the show then fine, Curly and Co are doing a dam fine job.

As far as know Curly and me have at least 90% of the old site on disc for clean up, and it will be put into an archieve section when time permits.

As you may or may not know there are also ways to recover what got missed without going back into the old site.

And we are full of surprises

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

chrishutt said:
bripl said:

chris if you dealt with the facts instead of hearsay and rumour you may get somewhere

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I'd love to deal with the facts. Are you or anyone else from ARGI going to reveal what they are, answering the questions I've asked?

The facts are what we tell you

Hearsay is what you think we said

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

kevindgas said:
what is Argi doing you ask!
well if you had got to Installerlive and attended the meeting with £orgi you would know that we achieved a few things there and with constant effort being made by a few things will change for the better eventually.

it is also a very good way of installers working together to improve our knowledge of both what the dog is up to and how the industry is changing (not neccessarily for the better!)
so come on give the few hard working guys a break and come on over to the new site.

Please do tell what was acheived at this meeting, I attended the same meeting and nothing came of it, Corgi just shook their head in agreement to keep everyone happy and used this meeting to say that they are consulting with the industry, the only positive thing to come from the meeting was Corgi announced that we would be able to notify unvented cylinder installations through GWN for no charge as long as we had a unvented ticket, this was something that corgi had arranged with no influence for argi, so I would be interested to know what you thought this meeting acheived.

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

For starters Billy Bob.

At least for whatever reason the kennel club are talking to us and taking notice of what we are saying, and the more we grow the more they will have to act, Its not that many years ago when even thinging about sitting around a table with £orgi was unheard off.

Argi through our Chairman and the Committee are being consulted over policy making more and more. That to me means we are being taken seriously at the highest level.

We have made it quite clear from the start, Argi will not change the world overnight.

We have Our feet in the door, all we need now is the crowbar to get it fully open.

chrishutt · 9 Sep 2007

doitall said:
if he (Phillip) wants too sit in the background and let the members run the show then fine..

If that's what he wants, why doesn't he say so? As far as I know he hasn't posted anything or attended any meetings for 2 years! Rather strange for the site admin, don't you think? And what you say doesn't explain him refusing to hand over control, does it?

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

doitall said:
For starters Billy Bob.

At least for whatever reason the kennel club are talking to us and taking notice of what we are saying, and the more we grow the more they will have to act, Its not that many years ago when even thinging about sitting around a table with £orgi was unheard off.

Argi through our Chairman and the Committee are being consulted over policy making more and more. That to me means we are being taken seriously at the highest level.

We have made it quite clear from the start, Argi will not change the world overnight.

We have Our feet in the door, all we need now is the crowbar to get it fully open.

But that does not answer the question, what was actually acheived from the meeting, talking is one thing, but something actually happening is another, as far as I can see nothing has been changed in the 3 years that argi have been active, my business still has the same burdens as before, in fact it is getting worse, not better.

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

No I don't think it rather strange, How many times do we see the DIYNOT admin on the forums.

Argi is run by the Members, Admin look after the website

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

billy bob said:
doitall said:

For starters Billy Bob.

At least for whatever reason the kennel club are talking to us and taking notice of what we are saying, and the more we grow the more they will have to act, Its not that many years ago when even thinging about sitting around a table with £orgi was unheard off.

Argi through our Chairman and the Committee are being consulted over policy making more and more. That to me means we are being taken seriously at the highest level.

We have made it quite clear from the start, Argi will not change the world overnight.

We have Our feet in the door, all we need now is the crowbar to get it fully open.

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But that does not answer the question, what was actually acheived from the meeting, talking is one thing, but something actually happening is another, as far as I can see nothing has been changed in the 3 years that argi have been active, my business still has the same burdens as before, in fact it is getting worse, not better.

Talking is everything, £orgi have always Treated the RGI with contempt, that has changed and they are listening.

Getting a seat on the £orgi Council was a major achievement

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

But how have installers benefitted from this, I see no improvement in the situation, as I said it is actually getting worse.

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