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doitall · 9 Sep 2007

billy bob said:
But how have installers benefitted from this, I see no improvement in the situation, as I said it is actually getting worse.

Thats is why the ILG was set up to look at the situation and recommend changes.

I can assure you it would be a lot worse if it wasn't for Argi. You cannot change the cashcows overnight but you can dent their confidence, and the bigger we get the bigger the dent.

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

I doubt it could be any worse, we are now been faced with having to re-sit our unvented ticket every 5 years, although when it was issued it was for life, we also have the £1800 fee to join the grant scheme for solar and the ACS saga still continues, but you still fail to list argi's acheivements to date, that has actually benefitted the industry, I know it takes time, but 3 years is quite some time.

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

The £1800.00 has nothing to do with the Cash cows.

I hear through the grape vine that .Gov may have to re-consider anyway as it will kill the renewable industry, and will put Bliars targets back 10 years

gas4you · 9 Sep 2007

You get a 50% discount if a member of STA.

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

gas4you said:
You get a 50% discount if a member of STA.

Still to much, why should I have to pay anything to offer the public grant money from the Government, what are the industry doing, subsidising the grants.

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

doitall said:
The £1800.00 has nothing to do with the Cash cows.

I hear through the grape vine that .Gov may have to re-consider anyway as it will kill the renewable industry, and will put Bliars targets back 10 years

You still fail to list argi's acheivements over the past 3 years that have benefitted installers.

gas4you · 9 Sep 2007

billy bob said:
gas4you said:

You get a 50% discount if a member of STA.

Click to expand...

Still to much, why should I have to pay anything to offer the public grant money from the Government, what are the industry doing, subsidising the grants.

Yes I agree and this was another reason for me coming out of the solar market and the STA.

bripl · 9 Sep 2007

oh now that is difficult bob

You still fail to list argi's achievements over the past 3 years that have benefitted installers.

training with viessman/rinnai/kane /testo at little or no cost to name a few that have benefitted installers.oh and due to feedback from the installers one manufacturer has redesigned/modified things to make life easier on its appliances.could corgi have done this in its first three years?how long have all these other groups been in existence and what have they achieved for the installers apart from relieving us of cash.

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

bripl said:
oh now that is difficult bob

You still fail to list argi's achievements over the past 3 years that have benefitted installers.

training with viessman/rinnai/kane /testo at little or no cost to name a few that have benefitted installers.oh and due to feedback from the installers one manufacturer has redesigned/modified things to make life easier on its appliances.could corgi have done this in its first three years?how long have all these other groups been in existence and what have they achieved for the installers apart from relieving us of cash.

Training from Viessmann, Rinnai, Testo or any manufacturer is free or a very small cost to any installer, it did not take argi to acheive this, it has always been availiable, if you want manufacturer training ask the manufacturer, Corgi would not be bothered with this type of training, as it is not part of their remit and other organisations would not claim to be responsible for something which they are not, the training is set up by the manufacturer, it is availiable to all, it was not put in place by any influence of argi, any installer can get the training, if they so wish.

bripl · 9 Sep 2007

Training from Viessmann, Rinnai, Testo or any manufacturer is free or a very small cost to any installer, it did not take argi to acheive this, it has always been availiable, if you want manufacturer training ask the manufacturer, Corgi would not be bothered with this type of training, as it is not part of their remit and other organisations would not claim to be responsible for something which they are not, the training is set up by the manufacturer, it is availiable to all, it was not put in place by any influence of argi, any installer can get the training, if they so wish.

yes i know bob,

but never mind you have your view i have mine point is it was arranged by argi for like minded people who want to improve their knowledge/skills not sit on the sidelines complaining about how hard done by they are.

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

bripl said:
Training from Viessmann, Rinnai, Testo or any manufacturer is free or a very small cost to any installer, it did not take argi to acheive this, it has always been availiable, if you want manufacturer training ask the manufacturer, Corgi would not be bothered with this type of training, as it is not part of their remit and other organisations would not claim to be responsible for something which they are not, the training is set up by the manufacturer, it is availiable to all, it was not put in place by any influence of argi, any installer can get the training, if they so wish.

yes i know bob, but never mind you have your view i have mine point is it was arranged by argi for like minded people who want to improve their knowledge/skills not sit on the sidelines complaining about how hard done by they are.

You claimed that Argi had arranged this training, as if it was something accomplshed by argi, when it was not, installers who want to improve their knowledge will attend manufacturers training, they will do this regardless of argi, some installers want to improve their knowledge, others do not, argi does not have any influence on that.
I am stil waiting for the list of argi acheivements for the benefit of installers that it has accomplished over the past 3 years.

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

At least for whatever reason the kennel club are talking to us and taking notice of what we are saying, and the more we grow the more they will have to act, Its not that many years ago when even thinging about sitting around a table with £orgi was unheard off.

Argi through our Chairman and the Committee are being consulted over policy making more and more. That to me means we are being taken seriously at the highest level. [quote/]

That is a major achievement, getting them to actually listen and consult is a miracle, it certainly wouldn't have happened pre-Argi.

There's an excellant post by Simon, under registered members, sub folder membership fees, that you should read and maybe comment on.

I will ask you a question

What has/is the IPHE done, achieved, and how are they supporting the RGI.

Same question for GasNews, HVCA any of the other trade Associations you belong to.

Answer nothing other than give you a bit of street cred.

billy bob · 9 Sep 2007

The IPHE has been around for 100 years, I belong to them as they are a respected association, GasNews is not an association, I have conversation with Simon on the IPHE web site.

By the lack of your reponse, I assume the answer to my question is that Argi have acheived nothing in three years that benefits the installer, you are now asking people to consider paying a membership fee to belong to argi, I ask for what in return, argi has acheived little so far, I would wait until argi have made some kind of acheivement before asking for money.

mlb3c · 9 Sep 2007

billy bob said:
The IPHE has been around for 100 years, I belong to them as they are a respected association, GasNews is not an association, I have conversation with Simon on the IPHE web site.

By the lack of your reponse, I assume the answer to my question is that Argi have acheived nothing in three years that benefits the installer, you are now asking people to consider paying a membership fee to belong to argi, I ask for what in return, argi has acheived little so far, I would wait until argi have made some kind of acheivement before asking for money.

afore you lot get any looser in the mouth you do know who this pratt is i take it

and he as well as me is barred from ARGI exept for different reasons

kev

doitall · 9 Sep 2007

So you don't get any benefits from being a member of the IPHE and they sure ain't doing anything to improve your lot.

What you would do and what we will do is obviously a matter of choice, but not yours.

Your choice is either pay a membership fee and join a growing Association that is making inroads into the £orgi monopoly or do nothing and continue to question others that demand change.

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