Gas tester?
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Can you refer me to any cases where the insurance has been invalidated by non-Corgi gas work?
I think this is a myth put about by technically inadequate and insecure gas fitters. Can you demonstrate that I am mistaken in this belief?
I assume you think all diyers know about proper tightness tests, have the equipment to do them and know how to interpret the results
No.
I think that you could show the average 14 year old to do a soundness test and understand the permissible pressure loss in 20 minutes. The way to promote gas safety is to make such simple training easily available and to disseminate the knowledge and skill amongst the DIYers and tradesmen who might want it.
It is counterproductive, in safety terms, to restrict access to fundamental gas training to trade gas fitters. The main concern of the gas trade is not with gas safety, it is in safeguarding their incomes.
It gonna explode! £600 to hang a boiler on a wall?
Muppets.
your an idiot, do you think an average 14 should be taught minor surgery ,,do you think an average 14 year old should be taught dentistry, the only reason you have to be trained and qualified to do certain work is so idiots like you don't kill people and get away with it,,
Ramraid ?
One of us is an idiot.
Since I understand simple punctuation and know where to use "your" or "you're", the evidence suggests that it isn't me.
So now you're comparing simple gas work with minor surgery and dentistry? The levels of skill involved are a slightly different.
I think 14 year olds could be taught first aid; some of that is about keeping fluids in pipes, too.
Enough.
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if all you can find fault with is punctuation then being classed as an idiot by someone like you who obviously knows nothing about gas safety is not going to make me lose any sleep.
You think the skills of a gas fitter are comparable with those of a surgeon or a dentist?
what are you arguing for onetap, to let everybody have a go? if all goes pear shape it does not matter? how about this, get a random 14 year old to do the gas in your house(just tell the neighbours before he starts)
if this guy thinks he has a gas leak he should phone transco on 0800 111 999 and should turn off his gas till they come and check.
there is no need go too go off the deep end and have a go at all around. is your argument really that petty that you use someones punctuation as a mode of attack?
if this guy thinks he has a gas leak he should phone transco on 0800 111 999 and should turn off his gas till they come and check.
there is no need go too go off the deep end and have a go at all around. is your argument really that petty that you use someones punctuation as a mode of attack?
Read the posts; the man called me an idiot.
So he tells me I'm an idiot and uses the grammatical skills of a 10-year old to do so? And then he has a hissy fit when he gets some in return?
He could do that, but they're not called Transco anymore. I think it's National Grid. They changed their name due the adverse publicity after they blew someone up. And his family.
I had to call them once, a long time ago; they nearly killed me, too. So then I learned a bit about gas leaks.
Oh, and read this.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_thread/thread/d9e5edf574de852a?hl=en#
I've touched on a raw nerve here.
The RGIs know that a significant proportion of gas installation work (not all) could be done by the average DIYer, builder, plumber or 14 year old. They also know that CORGI has ring-fenced the industry and barred access to gas training for anyone except trade gas fitters.
So I get abuse from the RGIs. No coherent discussion, just abuse.
So I'm an idiot?
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i am a RGI and i don't agree.
it is not that diyer cant do it, it is that RGI have proven they can, safely!!! gas can be unsafe when miss handled, it is not that it is going to do explode any minute but need to be treated with respect.
CORGI is simply a register of competent people, they cant bar people from training, in fact corgi would love to have loads of RGI so they could sell them more carp and get them to sign up to more "schemes" to leach more money from us.
as for that gas explosion i don't have any details so cant comment really
it is not that diyer cant do it, it is that RGI have proven they can, safely!!! gas can be unsafe when miss handled, it is not that it is going to do explode any minute but need to be treated with respect.
CORGI is simply a register of competent people, they cant bar people from training, in fact corgi would love to have loads of RGI so they could sell them more carp and get them to sign up to more "schemes" to leach more money from us.
as for that gas explosion i don't have any details so cant comment really
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Certainly.
The questions so far are;
Can you refer me to any cases where the insurance has been invalidated by non-Corgi gas work?
Is the installation of a soldered gas pipe beyond the abilities of the average DIYer, plumber, builder or 14 year old? Similarly, gas pipe sizing? Similarly soundness testing? Similarly first aid?
Yes, Mehran, I agree. But the reason that the DIYer, plumber, builder or 14 year old cannot prove that they are competent to do limited gas installation work is because CORGI WON'T LET THEM.
It does not follow that they are incompetent.
Let me make this clear; I am against the incompetent doing gas work. Many people have delusions about their own competence.
A test would demonstrate to the incompetent that they are not competent.
Refusing them access to such tests does not prove anything.
I agree 100% with onetap ... The key is safety not monopoly and certainly not making money for the kennel club.
Gas work, as onetap has said, is not rocket science nor does it require the skills of a Doctor or Dentist (can't remember which fool said that) but it does require skills, knowledge of techniques and tools to work with it safely.
DIYers, for many reasons, will still undertake their own gas work (and I completely support their right to do so) so it is in everyone's interests to give them the information and assistance they need to do it safely.
Don't forget, there are far more fatal accidents caused by electricity than gas so don't let's get this out of proportion ... Are we ever going to see prohibition (gas products only sold to professionals)? ... Not in my lifetime
MW
Gas work, as onetap has said, is not rocket science nor does it require the skills of a Doctor or Dentist (can't remember which fool said that) but it does require skills, knowledge of techniques and tools to work with it safely.
DIYers, for many reasons, will still undertake their own gas work (and I completely support their right to do so) so it is in everyone's interests to give them the information and assistance they need to do it safely.
Don't forget, there are far more fatal accidents caused by electricity than gas so don't let's get this out of proportion ... Are we ever going to see prohibition (gas products only sold to professionals)? ... Not in my lifetime
MW
Just seconding the idea that 'onetap' is an idiot. Well what else would you call somebody who comes on with a generally dismissive attitude to gas fitters and then wonders why people get p*ssed off.
Hope my spelling is alright for you t*t.
Have you never heard the saying ' A little knowledge is a dangerous thing'
Hope my spelling is alright for you t*t.
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