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Yamaha RS202D

Yamaha RN303D

Yamaha RN402D

Onkyo TX8220

Onkyo TX8250

Pioneer SX-20 DAB

Marantz M-CR502DAB


All the above have a DAB tuner and the Speakers A/B feature. Prices range from under £200 to around £400 I think. Will that do for a start?


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Yamaha RS202D

Yamaha RN303D

Yamaha RN402D

Onkyo TX8220

Onkyo TX8250

Pioneer SX-20 DAB

Marantz M-CR502DAB


All the above have a DAB tuner and the Speakers A/B feature. Prices range from under £200 to around £400 I think. Will that do for a start?


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Are they DAB+ capable? If not they are obsolete.

Thank you, wasn't sure what I should be searching for. All of my Google attempts found nothing.
Excuse my ignorance, what is dab+ and why does it make old dab worthless
 
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Are they DAB+ capable? If not they are obsolete.

The OP was struggling to find any amps/receivers with Speakers A/B and DAB. I gave him a starter-for-10. In this respect I met the brief. Google exists for 10monty to look up each product to see whether or not it fits the bill.

You're welcome to chip in with comments as you did above. Perhaps though, if you wish to be genuinely helpful, then an explanation or link about DAB+ would have actually been more constructive?
 
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10monty, DAB+ is an evolution of DAB to provide more channels in a smaller amount of the airwaves. Those behind the technology are being driven by the Government and its relentless drive to sell off the family silver to the highest bidders. In this case, the family silver is the chunks of the airwaves that we use for TV and radio. The highest bidders are the mobile phone and data telecoms operators; from our point of view these are the people who run the transmitter networks that allow us to use our stream-everything internet-connected smart phones everywhere.

DAB+ uses newer compression algorithms to fit 'more' in to 'less' space. The powers that be tell us this is all for our benefit: more channels, higher quality. The cynic in me disagrees vehemently with the second part of that statement. DAB has never been about quality. I see no reason why DAB+ will be any different. My gut instinct says that this is simply about shoehorning more broadcast licences and the revenue they generate in to a tighter space and in the process freeing up more available space to sell off for billions to the telecoms giants. You can form your own opinion on that.

The nuts and bolts of it are that a radio with a DAB+ tuner can pick up regular DAB channels, but a DAB-only tuner won't be able to receive any existing or new DAB+ channels where they are available.

Currently, there are roughly 280 digital audio stations broadcasting in the UK. Of those, something like half a dozen are DAB+, the rest are normal DAB. There's a bit of a chicken and egg problem for the broadcasters: Without the uptake of DAB+ radios on a very large scale, there's little incentive and no financial benefit to broadcast in the new format since there aren't enough compatible radios to make it worthwhile. At the same time, the general public aren't that aware of DAB+, and with so few stations using the newer format, there's little incentive for them to buy a new DAB+ radio wjhen their existing unit gets DAB and FM just fine.

The change will be driven by the manufacturers phasing out DAB-only receivers, but it will be a long and gradual process since the listening market is fragmented between AM, FM, DAB, internet, satellite and Freeview.

The future is DAB+, not because consumers are crying out for it, but rather that there are larger commercial gains at stake. It's all about cashing in and killing the goose that lays the golden egg simply for a meal today. Meanwhile, the radio stations that are meant to be enjoying a bonanza of additional broadcasting capacity are having troubles of their own. In the world of independent local radio, stations are coalescing so that one central service provides the content whether you're listening in Luton, London, Liverpool, Leeds or Livingston. The independence of the local stations is dying.
 
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what is dab+ and why does it make old dab worthless
All DAB is worthless, whether the old one, the + variant or anything else that might be cobbled together.
Shyte sound quality, shoddy reception and already totally obsolete.

If you want radio, just install the appropriate app in your phone, tablet, computer, home spyware speaker or whatever. Far better in every way possible.

DAB in the UK has been a colossal failure from the start, and it's long past the time it should have been abandoned.
 
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DAB+ is the latest (not very actually, it's been around for years) update to DAB. Any countries taking up digital radio choose DAB+. Most other countries using DAB have converted to DAB+. At last some stations are using DAB+ here. The fact that manufacturers are still selling (dumping) original flavour DAB equipment in the UK is nothing short of criminal.

Look at this page:

http://www.wohnort.org/DAB/

Own-brand DAB+ radios
In the UK, the last remaining bastion of died-in-the-wool, "original-flavour"-only DAB receivers is the range of own-brand radios sold by the major supermarket chains. Which brand will be last to switch? With the new UK digital radio tick mark now specifying DAB+ capability (among other welcome things) to qualify, it can't be long now. With DAB+ services already on air across the UK, and more certain to follow, Wohnort recommends that the own-brand ranges be avoided until they include DAB+.
 
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Thanks all for the info.
Think I'm gonna go with the Yamaha RS202D
as it has everything I need for whst I'm gonna use it for
 
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It seems now 50% listen with digital the government could switch off the original FM radio, however at home I have as Lucid points out many options, as to why DAB is required at home not really sure, other than the lack of audio only receivers for freeview and freesat.

In the car the DAB comes into it's own, although as yet the coverage in Wales is limited, however we as the user have no control as to radio fitted by the can manufacturer, google "cars with DAB+ fitted UK" I got no real hits, and the on line owners manual does not say if DAB or DAB+ for wife's car, Halfords do offer DAB+ radios, but I would not dream of fitting an after market radio to any of my cars, they are far too integrated into the cars.

It has been enough of a fight to get DAB radios fitted in cars, and google to see if the Jaguar XE has DAB or DAB+ has told me nothing, seems would need to ask manufacturer direct, and to be frank if no DAB at all it would not stop me buying car I want, when in North Wales have to use FM anyway, so very few would be interested as to if fitted with DAB+.

As always Wikipedia helps, but if I lived in Brighton and found my DAB radio would not work as moved to DAB+ I would return to FM, once bitten twice shy, and
Wikipedia said:
DAB audibly provides worse audio quality than FM in the UK
so why move?
 
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Returning to FM may not be an option. There are some stations that broadcast in DAB+ that are not available on FM. Radio Caroline is one example, there are others.
 
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Returning to FM may not be an option. There are some stations that broadcast in DAB+ that are not available on FM. Radio Caroline is one example, there are others.

Your post reads as if you're saying that Caroline abandoned FM and went to DAB+. I know you'll probably say that wasn't your intention, but to someone not up on which stations broadcast on what frequencies then the wording is not very clear and creates a misleading impression.

Caroline was never available on FM. If DAB+ or even DAB never existed, Caroline still wouldn't have been available on FM because it was never there in the first place. That makes any comment about "Returning to FM not being an option" completely redundant in this case.

Also, my understanding is that Caroline's DAB+ coverage isn't national. It's available on a limited range of DAB+ transmitters, so large parts of the country can't receive Caroline even if the listeners have DAB+ radios.
 
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It was an example of a station that was on DAB+ but not on FM. There are others but I don't think any of them are national stations or have been on FM. Some are in DAB in some areas and DAB+ in other areas.

But the point I'm making is that original DAB is obsolete and anyone buying new equipment should be aware of this. Sooner or later the national stations will change, whatever they are saying now.
It was only around two years ago that Ofcom were saying DAB+ would not be used in the UK because DAB works!
 
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Well, the listener could just as easily return to MW or LW. What's the problem?

Your comment about Ofcom kind of tells the rest of us why DAB+ isn't on consumers minds. That, combined with the lousy number of stations on the new format, demonstrates what a colossal flop this is.

Fine, if you have to by a DAB compatible radio then get a DAB+ one, but don't get fooled in to thinking it's anything to do with better quality or a better service. This is purely about moving the Indians off the nice land so that the local developer can sell it off for a fat profit.
 
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Well, the listener could just as easily return to MW or LW. What's the problem?

I can't believe you wrote that. The problem is that most stations are no longer on MW/LW. That includes the UKs most popular stations BBC radio 1 and 2.

Fine, if you have to buy a DAB compatible radio then get a DAB+ one,

Isn't this where we started?
The OP wanted to buy an A/B amp with DAB and I recommend he make sure it was actually DAB+.
 
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