CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by markie, 2 Jan 2006.

  1. masona

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    You're right Freddie, I'm getting to the stage of fightening of saying anything right. Look at this one,
    I have now changed my mind regarding the death penalty because of reading this topic but I don't need this heavy handed attitude. Ban should've said " masona, do you realise according to my opinion that the death penalty makes you ignorant, violent, uncivilised ****?".

    I didn't realised until Ban-all-shed pointed that out to me and I gave it a lot of thought, therefore he maybe right or wrong, but that for me to decide and I, or we don't need that bully attitude. If you don't give people a chance to express their views, what the point otherwise if it's these people live in a perfect world that can't do anything wrong, then god help us.
     
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  3. Moz

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    hello Masona
    hows things ?, did you have a good Xmas, an new year ?
    an hows that lad of yours .. GREAT I HOPE .. ;)
     
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    That was nothing compared to the most virulent post I have ever seen here aimed at FWL_Engineer AKA Big Spark back in 2004 .. It was retracted and an apology rendered ... But it was more than a little disquieting.
    Perhaps we just do not understand the 'forum' culture...
    This may give an insight :-
    http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm You'll not find us all doing the ... walk !!
    ;) :D :D
     
  5. masona

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    :LOL:
    Now that's better, anyway you got to woo JulieL back who had now temporary left us I think(?)

    Come on Moz make her laugh again ;)

    My lad doing well, a bit quite, these things take time though.
     
  6. david and julie

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    Masona I have just asked Julie and she said she will not be coming back onto this forum.

    She has asked admid to remove her name and details from the site. This has not yet happened but they did say they wait a couple of days.I would expect Julie's details to go by Sat or Sun at the latest.
     
  7. ban-all-sheds

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    But you've also been selective in highlighting what you wrote. Yes, you did say "one would be too many". But the full quote is:

    To write "That said...." is to say that against the downside of innocent people being killed should be set the fact that innocent lives would be saved by preventing murderers from killing again. You may wriggle and claim that you never actually said it was "OK to kill innocent people" but clearly the sense of what you wrote was that the wider view should be taken and the overall balance of innocent deaths considered, so hermes was right to say what he did.

    Read the highlighted words, which are yours. Those women were imprisoned because there were trials and at those trials it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that they were guilty - that's what being found guilty means. At their trials, the guilt of the Birmingham Four, the Guildford Six, The Bridgewater Four, Judith Ward, Stefan Kiszko, the Maguire Seven, Andrew Evans, Stephen Downing, Timothy Evans - the list goes on and on - was found to be sufficiently beyond doubt for them to be sentenced to imprisonment (and in one case hanged) for their responsibility for the deaths of dozens of people.

    How many of these innocent people would you have wanted put to death at the time?
     
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    Well give my regards to Julie Dave and blow her a big kiss from Freddie cause he will miss her as will others
     
  9. Moz

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    Julie/l/b
     
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    Honestly? I don't know. How would I know? The only reason that you know what you would do is because you say and do the same thing in all circumstances that you don't like, which is to kill, or threaten to kill, or encite to kill, or talk about killing, or think about killing, or, I suspect, dream about killing.
     
  13. ban-all-sheds

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    As I have said, this goes far beyond a mere "different viewpoint". This is, literally, a matter of life and death, and I do not, and never will, apologise for doing my best to make it absolutely clear how repugnant I find people who think that violence and cruelty are appropriate.

    And as I have also observed before, the Mod seems to have a very twisted view of what is acceptable:

    Acceptable - expressing a desire that people should be tortured and killed.

    Unacceptable - expressing outrage at the idea of torture and killing or suggesting that it is uncivilised to want to see people tortured and killed.

    Yes it does.

    Consider the number of cases where someone has been found guilty of murder when they hired a "hit man" to actually carry out the task. Even though they personally didn't kill the victim the law is absolutely clear on their guilt. If you arrange for someone to kill on your behalf then you are considered a killer.

    Did I misunderstand this, then:
    Did you actually mean that you would go off and investigate the metalworking uses of such a hammer? Please don't insult our intelligence - you clearly meant that you'd like to use the hammer on those people.

    Sophistry. You want people to be killed. You would welcome the killing of people. You are in favour of people being killed.
     
  14. ban-all-sheds

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    Err - you've said you want to see the death penalty reintroduced.

    The death penalty means that as a penalty, people are put to death, i.e. killed.

    So where is the "truth" in "I haven't advocated killing anyone"???
     
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    Does an entitlement to an opinion include the entitlement to express that opinion?
     
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    Boring-all-sheds wrote,
    Which is his interpretation of what he wants to believe. The reality is I didn't actually say it is OK to kill innocent people. I clearly don't believe in harming innocent people, this is why I support the DP, it is the only guaranteed way of assuring these people can't re-offend, which is happening all to often.

    Besides that, do you not think hermes can speak for themselves?

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    I have separated your comments here for clarity.
    I presume the above refers to the cot death comments? if so I have already commented on this so it is pointless to repeat myself.

    None if they were innocent.
     
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    Someone else who doesn't get it.

    I know he has now retracted, but at that point he had not.

    The death penalty means killing people.

    Do you not think that wanting people to be killed is a violent and uncivilised attitude? Can you not see that people who want that are violent and uncivilised people?
     
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