Hip to Gable on extension planning issues

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  1. Jessica Kerridge

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    So we put in a planning application to do a side extension on our property which included a hip to gable roof change.
    The street has already had a hip to gable change on others but they were detached while mine is a semi.

    We had a council member show interest and blocked the roof aspect after our said neighbour complained saying it didnt fit with street and would be dominating on their drive that sites between our two homes.
    So we got approval with a hipped roof. The builders are not happy about the roof as due tot he shape of the extension its a big messy job so this added to our cost.

    We have not started our extension yet (start in 3 months) and we now find that the neighbour who objected and started the ball that got it blocked is having a hip to gable with Dormer roof conversion done on his building.
    Ignoring the fact there objection stated they felt it didnt fit with the street the other object was regarding it being dominating to there drive. There building sits about 50cm higher than ours so there Gable roof would be far more dominating but clearly this no longer bothers them

    We dont care to stop them we just want our cheaper and smarter gable roof back. Since the council has now given them permission are we not able to request ours also be approved?

    Does anyone have any advice or comment on this please?
     
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    Would have thought you’d be able to put another application in citing that next door have permission so it would be nonsense to not allow it. But I’d ask the mods to move this thread to the building and planning section of the forum too
     
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    A hip to gable is permitted development, no application required.
     
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    Agree with woody. You should resubmit an application regarding the loft extension only from a lawfulness perspective.
     
  6. Jessica Kerridge

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    Hi guys

    They are doing a hip to gable with dormer and going on sizer i do think this is within permitted development, however the council do have some regulations on the town we live so the neighbours have requested confirmation of classification.

    We have gone for a two story extension so we required planning permission. Our original application with the gable roof had objections (from the neighbour now doing it to their own property) stating they felt the roof would be dominating on the drive between the buildings and not fit in with the street appearance. Our planning officer had been set to approve until the objection were listed. After the objections he stated that in order to address them we must change the roof to a hipped one. Now as a result we have had it passed but with a hipped roof not the gable roof.

    The main reasons i want the hipped are
    - The roof is easier to build and maintain due to the shape of the house
    - Will take 1 week less to build
    - The roof would be £1.5k cheaper to build as gable
    - With gable we wont require guttering at the joining side meaning we wont need access to neighbours property to maintain our home.
    - It gives head height over the stairs should we choose to expand into the attic at a later point (future development).

    It seems silly that they can get it under permitted development but stop us with planning.
    Can this not be taken into account and allow ours to be changed?
    Is there a way we can do the roof under permitted and the rest under the planning approval?
     
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    Would there be any issues with the planners now they have started down the PP route if they submit a revised plan?

    If they resubmit a new application showing only the side extension, will the council be likely to pass it, no questions asked (in relation to the hip to gable anyway)?
    If so, there would be nothing to stop the homeowner getting the required PP for the side extension, and then doing the loft conversion either at the same time, or immediately following the construction of the side extension, correct?
     
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    Unless PD rights are removed by a condition when giving permission for the extension.

    The OP may well have been give bad advice by a crap agent
     
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    Sorry i'm not fully understanding what you are meaning here?
    I can send you a link to my approved planning for you to see what has been passed.
     
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    What Woody means is that sometimes, when planning permission is given, permitted development rights can be removed, so while usually you would be able to do a hip to gable under permitted development, sometimes that right can be taken away.

    So if you tried what I suggested, the planners might say "Aha, I see what they're trying to do here. They're trying to circumvent our refusal of the hip to gable in their previous application. So we'll prevent them doing this by giving permission for the side extension, and at the same time take away their permitted development rights, thereby preventing them doing the hip to gable in the future."

    Planners are sneaky like that (but they have to be, because homeowners and developers can be equally sneaky!)

    Does that make sense?
     
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    The hip to gable allowed under permitted development is only allowed in isolation. A hip to gable + extension is not covered under permitted development and planning rules apply.
    You will need to consult your local planning policy to see if this is allowed, which i'm sure your architect will have looked at prior to making the plans.
     
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    The reply you quoted was a response to the post that I quoted!

    But if you want to send links via PM that is fine, but before you post links on a public forum for anybody to see, remove personal and address details etc.
     
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    Yes i think i get what you are saying here. I assume this would be noted in my planning approval document. So i have had a look and cant see anything saying clearly no but then i could be reading it wrong
    I will pm my link to planning office (just seen your comment lol)
     
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    I send the details over to you guys to see.
     
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