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Remember electric can and does kill![/quote]

Bloody Nora, I never knew that, best be careful now
 
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I can understand trying to deter rabu from changing a socket live, as a) there's no need and b) he's not trained, experienced etc.

But how many of you trained, experienced electricians can honestly say you've never, ever, not even once, worked live?
 
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You hear of poeple getting 240 belts all the time and live to tell the tale of " nahh it was nothing, it only hurt a bit, nothing to worry about"
Survivor bias

the only ones you hear talking about it are the ones that weren't killed.
 
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My job often entails working on live equipment when there is no alternative.

However,
a/ I have been trained to do so safely and go through periodic assessment.
b/ When we have to do this we ensure all possible safety devices are in place and working correctly.
c/ It is always done with a second person present who knows the procedure.
 
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i can honestly say, that i have NEVER changed a socket or a light switch or any other household component LIVE. there is absolutely no need whatsoever. Turning of the supply for 15 minutes is not going to hurt anything.

At work however, as somebody else has said, we sometimes have to work live but in this situation, the area is barriered off, there are 2 people present. The standby man has to be trained in Resuss as well as being competent themselves. If it involves more than just testing, the one doing the work has to wear suitable gloves and stand on rubber matting.
 
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If you try and replace a socket live with insulated tools but no other protective equipment you are one slipup away from a serious electric shock. Being one slipup away from such a shock is not an acceptable level of safety! Especially given that replacing a socket requires wrestling stiff conductors into awkwardly placed terminals and then wresling the resultant tangle of wires into a backbox.
 
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My job often entails working on live equipment when there is no alternative.

However,
a/ I have been trained to do so safely and go through periodic assessment.
b/ When we have to do this we ensure all possible safety devices are in place and working correctly.
c/ It is always done with a second person present who knows the procedure.

same as mine, i'm a cable jointer. One thing that's in the rules that we have to follow is to have only one conductor exposed at any one time and that means shrouding up all the surrounding metal work in the vicinity of the work that's taking place. So that if one was to replace a socket live, you'd have a pretty hard job doing so as the backplate would have to be shrouded to be safe :rolleyes: :D
 
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As Connie and Guitarguy mention there are very strict guidelines for working live on a DNO network and I dont know about the two chaps mentioned and how their systems of work are written, but Im a Fitter for SCOT POWER, and we have a LIVE WORKING MANUAL that stipulates the ONLY OCCASIONS where we are allowed to work live, and also details strict guidelines and procedures. we also must be fully trained and authourised at the correct level. and to add to that all the asociated PPE, including LV rubber gloves, So I really cannot see any reason for any domestic electrical installation to be worked on live.......when switching it off is so simple......
 
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Moderator 11 said:
Photos of dead bodies are not encouraged on this site.
But it's perfectly OK for the sub-human violent thugs on the General Discussion forum to call for, and glory in, the creation of dead bodies, often by cruel and disgusting ways, isn't it.

Perhaps instead of just removing the link to that photo you should do something about the foul hypocrisy which underpins that forum.
 
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The thing forgotten is ionisation of the atmosphere. It does not happen very often but when it does what a bang.

Once the ionisation is complete the air conducts and it can only need a small spark to start it all off.

I will not link to pictures but if your really that sick sure you can find them. This is why meter changes are done by electricians who seem to be dressed in space suits. And a meter change is the only time any electrical work is ever done in domestic premises live.

Oddly testing is not considered live working. But all test leads must be to GS38 and from GS38 (Revised May 1991)
2. The Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 (EAW Regulations) make it quite clear that no-one, however well qualified should be put at risk from electricity. If live working is really necessary. suitable precautions must be taken to prevent injury. It is often necessary to test for the presence of voltage or to measure voltage on power circuits. motors, switchboards, cable terminations etc. Electricians need to avoid the dangers of electric shock and burns by their training, technical knowledge and skill, ie their competence to work safely. combined with their use of safe test equipment.
 
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We have three right cowboys contributing to this thread.

They tell the OP the WRONG and DANGEROUS way to use a tester.

The correct test procedure is to check the tester's working with a known live, test the circuit to check it's dead then test the tester on a known live again.

Even if the OP had a better tester than his neon screwdriver, if it didn't work he would not have known and would still have got a belt were he working to the cowboys' method.
 
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We have three right cowboys contributing to this thread.

They tell the OP the WRONG and DANGEROUS way to use a tester.

Can you clarify please?
 
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I think this thread is a bit of a wind up by the OP.

It's kind of obvious that the mains should always be turned whenever possible, that's in 99.9% of situations.

If this is a genuine thread, then my advice to the OP is to always wear really thick rubber boots...
 
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What about ELV?

I've just this minute attached a TV coax faceplate to a cable with an aerial on the other end...
 
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