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New socket for bedroom TV

Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by bendy4141, 7 Jan 2021.

  1. bendy4141

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    Hi all,

    I have a 60's house with hardly any sockets, I want to hang a LED TV from the bedroom wall and obviously need power. I'd like to add a socket in the stud wall behind the TV and I have as far as I can see two options to get the outlet powered...

    1) In the loft is what appears to be 3 core 1.5mm running from the board on a 16a breaker (non RCD protected) to the airing cupboard, into a RCD then out to the shower booster. This circuit also has the oil boiler on it. Can I take a feed from the junction box in the loft that the shower is attached to and run that into the bedroom?

    2) On the same wall in the bedroom we have a 2 gang socket fed via a spur from a socket in the next room on the other side of the stairwell. The wiring is exposed through a cupboard above the stairs into the socket so access there is easy. I don't believe I can spur from that socket as it's already a spur but could I add a fused spur into the wiring between the sockets then continue to add a further socket to the new TV? Or is that not valid because the bedroom twin socket is a spur from a socket not from a junction box.

    3) Drop a feed from the lighting ring?

    I'll use 2.5mm twin and earth for anything.

    I get that there is a right way, a who is gonna find out way and the oh dear you might burn your house down way - which is the way forward or am I over thinking it ?

    Thanks for any help!
    Cheers
    Paul
     
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    1) seems OK, as long as it's connected after the RCD

    2) Seems better, Confirm the spur comes from a socket which is on the ring and it's self is not already a spur add a FCU in the spur cable and add the new socket after the FCU
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    It depends which is easiest but 2) will keep the new socket on the socket circuit.
     
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    My slightly different take. General comment: any new socket must be RCD protected. I guess you have no RCD protection in your existing fuse box/consumer unit?

    Im assuming you don’t have RCD.

    1. Would be best option. But you can’t take from junction in the loft unless you fit an RCD socket. Alternatively, as Sunray says you could fit after the RCD to the shower booster. Beware if there is a fuse fitted here!

    2. You can do as Sunray suggestion, but you’ll need an RCD socket.

    3. Not really an option. I don’t mind putting a socket in a loft off a lighting circuit for a low current TV booster etc, but bringing it into a room where anything could be plugged in is not a good plan! In any case, you’d still need an RCD socket!

    hope this helps.
     
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    no.1 is the only solution, with the additional socket connected after the rcd.

    rcd sockets cannot be fitted by themselves, they can only be connected to an already rcd protected circuit, as they do not provide additional protection or safe isolation.
     
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    Because…
     
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    They are no longer recognised by bs7671 as suitable devices, and are now an obsolete product.
    BS7288 it's self states rcd sockets and spurs can only be fitted on a circuit which already has rcd protection.
    Their design offers no additional protection nor safe isolation.
    They have been removed from appendix 1 of bs7671 as suitable devices, and cannot be installed standalone, as that would be a non-compliance.
    This has been the case since january 2019
     
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    Thanks Taylor..

    The board is split - the heat and lighting circuits one side (non RCD) and the sockets, cooker, hob are RCD protected. Can I use option 2 with normal socket from a fused spur in that case?
     
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    Yorkspark guess the same question to you seeing as the socket side of my board is RCD protected?
     
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    I admit I stupidly made the assumption your existing socket circuit is RCD protected [which as it turns out is the case] which is why I didn't mention RCD against 2) in my post.
    2) is my preferred option.
     
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    Cheers Sunray, I'm thinking 2 is the way forward as well !
     
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    indeed, install a switch fuse spur, and connect to the load side and all will be good, as protected by rcd
     
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    It's nice but it doesn't need to be switched.
     
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    Another option would be to include the existing spur socket into the ring.
    Depending on space in the ring socket to get connectors of some sort in there.
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    Or use cable suitable for the circuit OPD.

    How much longer must a botch-up be deemed preferable?
     
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