Registering as a competent person but am not a contractor

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how do I go about registering myself on the elecsa competent persons register if I am not an electrical contractor working for myself or another contracting company?

I am an electrical engineer qualified to Bsc level, have BS7671 17th including part P, Compex qualified EX01-EX06 and High voltage switching.I work for a company carrying out design, installation and maintenance of high tech machinery controls/robots/distribution etc but also including basic installations such as power and lighting. I have 13 years experience.

I wish to register so that I no longer have to pay for a registered electrician or pay to notify for notifiable works. However, during the application process it says that I will be required to be assessed at/on a suitable job. This is the stumbling block as my company would not allow this to take place onsite and I'm not doing electrical installations in the domestic environment at present. Is there a way around this?

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I'm not doing electrical installations in the domestic environment at present. Is there a way around this?
No, the assessment requires that there are at least 2 recent installations to be looked at.
If you are not doing any domestic work at present, there would be no point in registering anyway.

You hopefully do already realise that the vast majority of electrical work isn't notifiable - it's only replacement consumer units, new circuits and items in certain areas of bathrooms - all of which is applicable to dwellings only.
 
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That's exactly why I want to Register - I'm not doing domestic at present but am due to move in the new year and the house will need a new consumer unit, wiring within bathrooms (showers) and new circuits putting in the garden and power to an outbuilding which currently doesn't have any power.

I feel that the costs of paying somebody to do this for me, or paying to notify for all of this work will be excessive when I'm more than competent of doing it to a high standard myself.

as you have now let me know that it's not possible to become registered in my circumstances I will simply have to "suck it up" and notify.

Thank you for the advice.
 
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As above, you only notify once. For something like 'complete rewire including new consumer unit'.

If there are any other notifiable works being done such as a hot water cylinder, bathroom or toilet where none existed before, removing/adding walls, insulation, replacing windows etc., then you include all of those in the same notification as well. It's a single notification fee for the entire lot.
 
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Once you've installed a circuit or six in your new house, you can then use that as your sample for registration. Then go-ahead and self-notify the whole shebang.

Strictly speaking it may be putting the cart before the horse, but I do know someone who did exactly that, without a problem.

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If ELECSA is your chosen provider, it would be useful to you if you contacted them directly and asked what they required. ELECSA are very helpful and informative, so no need to worry about contacting them.
The assessment is an easy process, they will spend half a day with you, where they expect to see evidence of your knowledge by questions and certification, the will expect you to have up to date versions of BS7671 and any amendments to that. Also editions of Approved part p document and the electrical safety at work memorandum. They also request you to produce a sample of your quoting methods, customer contracts, health and safety policy, risk assessements and a complaints log. You will require to have calibrate test equipment and at least one job to show them. Now then this job as I recall can be just one new circuit or a CU swap. If you own home or have friends/relatives with domestic properties? This work can be carried out there, the work will require notifying, so there will be that fee to consider. I can forward you the complete assessment/inspection list if you PM me.
 
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... If you own home or have friends/relatives with domestic properties? This work can be carried out there, the work will require notifying, so there will be that fee to consider.
Is that not the OP's problem? As you say, he is going to have to notify, and pay notification fees, at least once in order to get registered, and then he has to pay all the (direct and indirect) costs of notification. Given that, as has been said, most/all of the work he wants to do could be done under a single notification, I'm far from convinced that the 'getting registered' route would be cost-effective for him. Even if he had to pay for two or three notifications, that might still be less expense than the registration route.

The above comments are based on one assumption - do I take it that ELECSA will only accept job(s) involving notifiable work as the job(s) they inspect?

Kind Regards, John
 
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It depends on the CPS, they all differ to a certain extent, but i believe that the OP will need a certain level of formal qualifications in Electrical Installation and an NVQ3.

BHM172 - you need to call ELECSA and ask them, you will certainly need more than COMPEX qualifications.
 
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The above comments are based on one assumption - do I take it that ELECSA will only accept job(s) involving notifiable work as the job(s) they inspect?
They used to require that, when a modest amount of work was actually notifiable.
Now it is:
The assessor will need to see domestic installation work representative of the work you typically undertake. It also needs to be substantial enough to allow the assessor to make an objective assessment of your competence.

They also used to specify minimum qualifications, but don't specify any now.
http://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/Public-Documents/Contractors/ELECSA-Part-P-Guide-(Web)-06-15.aspx
 
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It depends on the CPS, they all differ to a certain extent, but i believe that the OP will need a certain level of formal qualifications in Electrical Installation and an NVQ3.

BHM172 - you need to call ELECSA and ask them, you will certainly need more than COMPEX qualifications.

I have a Bsc in electrical engineering, 17th edition (latest ammendement) including Part P certification , NVQ levels 2&3 in electrical & electronic engineering, Btec, hnc, hnd in electrical engineering, compex certified ex01-ex06, forgot to mention electrical testing city and guilds 2394 and 13 years experience on the job. What more could they want? Or should that be enough to move on to proving competence?

I shall give them a ring.
 
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They used to require that, when a modest amount of work was actually notifiable.
Now it is:
The assessor will need to see domestic installation work representative of the work you typically undertake. It also needs to be substantial enough to allow the assessor to make an objective assessment of your competence.
Thanks. Do you interpret that as meaning that they do/might now accept work which was all non-notifiable, provided that they regarded it as 'substantial enough'?

Kind Regards, John
 
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