Removing Concealed Thermostatic Shower Valve Plate

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I'm trying to remove this shower valve face plate.

The plate retaining rings are stuck to the plastic collar and the plate, they won't budge.

Anyone any ideas please?

 
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Hi,

I'd have a go with something like Cillit Bang 'Limescale and Grime' to start with.
Give the rings a good soak to try and get rid of that limescale - rinse and repeat! :)
 
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Its siliconed on, Sharp thin bread knife, slipped around the edge between the shower plate and tiles.(y)

Andy
 
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Thanks,

I had assumed those chrome rings were screwed to the brass assembly behind.
but looking at another one of these it looks like they are just spacers.

Next question:
How can I remove the cartridge?

I tried turning the black plastic nut but it started to disintegrate :(
 
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