Should pensioners have to work for their pension?

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According to Lord Birchard a well known establishment crawler who retired at 52 on a 120,000 quid a year state pension says that pensioners should also have to do unpaid community work to recieve their pension.
This statement alone illustrates the contempt the establishment has for those who put them were they are. Benefit scroungers are one thing but people who have worked all their life and paid their dues to society are another thing entirely, who does this plonker think he is.
He whinges about the deficit as if it's the pensioners fault what he omits is the fact that a large part of the deficit is due to a large black hole amounting to billions which is going to be needed to finance gold plated pensions for "public serpents" like himself. the fact that he thinks he can say the things he does shows how out of touch he is with reality.
 
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I thought the majority of pensioners HAD worked for their pensions.
 
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I thought the majority of pensioners HAD worked for their pensions.
No...A married lady, may never have worked in her life, & at 60 (*now maybe 62) gets the pension.
I dont think its the same for a married man...but thats equality for you
 
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the fact that he thinks he can say the things he does shows how out of touch he is with reality.

But he is saying them, and you will no doubt go on to vote for parties that support this status quo.

Now shut up peasant.
 
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People reaching pension age now were running around in the sixties pizzing their wages up against a wall, high on various drugs.
So yes that group should work for a considerable % of their pension. :LOL:
 
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The simple solution is that when we want to give up work then we should be allowed to do so and given enough money for a really good holiday for a month. When we come home, we should be given another fortnight to tidy up our affairs and make sure that everything is in order. Then we should be executed.

Let's try it on Birchard to check the efficacy of this model solution :)
 
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Very very few pensioners have paid enough into the pot to justify what they want to take out. They are just passing on the cost of their good life to their grandchildren who are going to struggle. The people responsible for this financial crisis are exactly the same ones who think they are hard done by. It's one of the great ironies of life.

The big problem is they get a vote and turkeys never vote for Christmas. So it isn't ever going to get fixed, we are all stuffed, and the younger you are the more stuffed you will be. Pensioners today have run off with everybody elses money and it's legal. Astounding really.
 
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A pension should be a loan repaid from the deceased estate.
 
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:eek: so what's going to be left for their medical care. Perhaps a version of the liverpool care pathway can be used for those near end of funds :rolleyes:
 
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Very very few pensioners have paid enough into the pot to justify what they want to take out.

I don't really care about that, as long as they paid a fair share of their wages, I'm a social libertarian (a contradiction I know).

I.e If you earn the average wage of 22k, you will be paying about 35-45% tax (once you count all taxes, and on top of that your employer will also be paying 2k+ on employer nat insurance , which is really taken out of your wages).

Somehow I suspect they haven't paid as much a proportion in tax as those on an average wage do today.



I also hate the fact that a lot of these people live in houses that they purchased at much lower rates than we did, and consistently oppose new housing estates to protect their own property interests.


Not all of the grey generation are like this, but a lot are.

50 "affordable" homes where to be built in a small "village" near me, all the residents opposed it.

Half of their houses where not there 50 years ago, and some are ex council bought on discount.

selfish ****ers screwing over the young generation to feather their nest.




Lord Birchards proposals are stupid, but you will see more of this as resentment only becomes stronger.
 
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50 "affordable" homes where to be built in a small "village" near me, all the residents opposed it

Theres a village near me like that. So far they have held off the developers and long may they do so.
If I lived there I'd oppose any large development also.

Thats a kind of a "live and let live not" statement but some areas deserve protecting from cheap housing.

A few reasons I can think off ....
1- Often attracts undesirables into the community.
2- Is often a blight on the landscape
3 - Destroys natural habitat forever
4- Puts strain on natural local resources.
 
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The simple solution is that when we want to give up work then we should be allowed to do so and given enough money for a really good holiday for a month. When we come home, we should be given another fortnight to tidy up our affairs and make sure that everything is in order. Then we should be executed.
You know, as someone who's in his last few years of work, who was a member of a contributary works pension fund "borrowed from" by dishonest directors who then "lost" the money (but never even went to court, let alone prison). I see a degree of "sense" in your "solution" which is almost worthy of that great German thinker, Hr. A. Schicklgruber.

The people responsible for this financial crisis are exactly the same ones who think they are hard done by. It's one of the great ironies of life.
That puts you in the younger age group, then. I'm one of the "older generation", a greybeard, a onl fart. The fact is that all my working life I've paid tax and NI on my income - and the "powers that be" told me all the while that I was paying for the pensions of those who were retired and that when I retired my pension would be paid for by the next generation. And so on. Only the cracks started to appear about 15 or 16 years back when some actuaries started to mumble that there wasn't enough money in the pot and that people like me had better start putting money aside. Needless to say government didn't agree, despite MPs like Frank Field voicing their concerns. To say, though, that pensioners today have run off with everybody elses money is a bit simplistic - especially in view of what the politicians have fed us for 50 or more years. As to what we can do about it? Well in my case I see retirement as a luxury because I simply can't afford to retire - unless I want to freeze to death in one of the forthcoming Arctic winters we will probably be having in the future. wonderful prospect!

Lord Birchards proposals are stupid, but you will see more of this as resentment only becomes stronger.
I can but agree with you. What we seem to be lacking in this entire area is some form of meaningful, sensible approach from the politicos
 
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