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Supply Issues and Shortages In The Construction Industry

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by albaPhenom, 4 May 2021.

  1. sxturbo

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    I've not said otherwise,

    However as per the articles linked above, Europe is also suffering similar issues, and I have not denied that brexit has had an effect on the UK.


    https://packagingeurope.com/raw-mat...ope-impacting-production-of-plastic-products/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/think....oods-prices-higher-but-probably-not-for-long/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/news...st-eu-self-reliance-overlooks-human-shortages

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ad-food-crisis-says-italys-draghi-2021-07-26/
     
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  3. JohnD

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    I have not said that.

    however I question your unsupported guess that
    bearing in mind that when I asked, you said you had

    So you're saying that you'll be organising demonstrations to thank Johnson for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week?
     
  4. sxturbo

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    As mentioned I said that in regards to the materials shortages presented to the construction.

    Various sources have said that brexit has been a minor i.e small cause for the issue at hand, but it is mostly a world wide phenomenon with countries all over the world building at an unprecedented rate and mills and factories closed for 3 months and then with limited staffing for further months after that, this has caused a considerable backlog.

    The very nature of it being a worldwide issue suggests in itself that brexit has had a small impact on the construction industry in terms of material supplies.

    You cannot provide an exact percentage of disruption brexit has caused on material supplies in the construction industry either. Remember I asked if you knew?

    I have not denied it has compounded issues.

    Every article I read from a multitude of sources advises that brexit is only a contributing part of the issues in the construction industry and it shortages but is not the main reason.

    By your very logic you are implying, brexit is also responsible for many other global supply issues. I.e jaguar land rover production coming to a virtual stop being because of brexit... Which is definitely not the case it is due to the chip makers being behind on their production schedules and the huge uptick in demand for appliances with which these chips are used.

    You can get on your brexit soap box as much as you like, but the fact remains the main issue is a worldwide supply issue with brexit only playing a bit part role.
     
  5. JohnD

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    I am implying nothing.

    "small" is not true. It was your unsubstantiated guess, based on no information. "No idea," you said.

    no soap box required.
     
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    Not unsubstantiated, I said I had no idea of the percentage, which neither do you.

    However there is hundreds of articles all saying the same thing, brexit has a part to play but is by no means the defacto reason.

    The biggest 2 reasons is the shutdown of factories and the increased world wide demand due to lockdowns (meaning lots of DIY) and increased investment from developers who are taking advantage of governments around the world injecting cash into their economies to stabilise markets. One big way of doing that is getting the construction industry moving,

    Your going round in circles for what, proving me right?

    I'll say again I have not denied brexit is a contributing factor,
     
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    if you think you can substantiate the claim
    when you earlier said you had "no idea," please feel free to try.

    You will not do it just by increasing the number of words you throw out.
     
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    Circles... Labouring a point you can't make.

    A global shortage is down to brexit.....

    Don't be ridiculous.

    While Brexit may have contributed, many of the material shortages, delays, and increased costs being experienced are primarily being attributed to Covid-19 at present.

    “Brexit does not seem to be a contributing factor to the current product availability, which is ultimately down to high demand and reduced capacity during the Covid-19 pandemic,” says John Newcomb, CEO of the Builders Merchants Federation & co-chair of the Construction Leadership Council’s product availability group.
     
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    i haven't seen anybody claim that (except you).

    I have the much simpler point.

    You claim that Brexit has had a "small" effect.

    but that is just your guess and you have no idea.
     
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    No it's not a guess there is lots of publications that have iterated that, as I added the excerpt in my last post... Which in true John d style you ignore in an attempt to obfuscate when you are wrong.

    You consistently state that the global shortage is down to brexit... It is not.

    The UK's issues are mostly the global supply chain, with brexit being contributory.

    The last time I checked the whole world is having supy issues regards construction materials. The UK is only a small part of that, so by definition the UK's issues is mostly global supply and brexit currently only a small part of that.

    If the product isn't available brexit cannot be blamed, so it becomes insignificant and this smaller than the global issue at large.
     
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    I’m surprised he hasn’t thrown in a ‘Mottie doesn’t care' statement to change the tack of the conversation.
     
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    Well done Mottie.
    Is supply still as bad, getting better or worse since earlier this summer? I want to get some windows repaired but the glazier said it was difficult to get glass and overall cost was 1/3 more than expected. If it’s as bad then I’m just going to wait it out.
     
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    It's getting worse, Kingspan this week advised that they will receive zero supply of an product required to make their PIR insulation, they're offering Quadcore insulation as an alternative... not a major issue as Quadcore is a better product imo but it's indicative of the unprecedent supply chain issues we're experiencing.
     
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    Went to B&q today for as new drill driver.
    They had none. Everything i asked them to look to was out of stock.

    Managed to get a Bosch from wickes.
     
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    Just paid £1300 for 7 cubic metres of concrete (plus the pump). Not sure if that's expensive (East Mids) and representative of the current demand?

    Slightly worried as we're having a single story rear extension (really needed with a baby on the way) and things like insulation boards, timber, even the glass for the few windows we'll be having all seem to be more expensive and with longer lead times.
     
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    My neighbour is in the glass business, told me UK production pretty much halved as the two main suppliers both decided to service one of their machines (they both have 2) at the same time, and servicing takes them out of action for 3 months.
     
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