To Frack or Not To Frack - That is the question

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  1. Hysteresis

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    The Noun 'Luddite' springs to mind.
    GM food production may be the saviour of feeding mankind, as Fracking may be the temporary saviour of the UK energy supplies.
    Green energy may be the Utopia of which we all dream, but it is an unworkable solution for the energy requirements of todays world. All of the so called green energies are unworkable.
    1. Wind energy requires a particularly small window of conditions to generate power. It is environmentally bad as the destruction of wild habitat is inevitable in their construction. It has been postulated that the energy required to produce a Wind Turbine (Steel production, road Construction, Material Transport etc costs more both financially and environmentally than the energy they ever produce in their life time. It just does not work.
    2. Tidal Power has big problems in silting up rivers and water courses and is ridiculously expensive to construct. At least it is predictable and not weather dependant.
    3. Wave power is a joke, and also needs the correct weather conditions to generate anything.
    4. Solar panels require solar energy, which may be an option in Australia but the UK, I think not.
    So I am not sure which green energy sources you are in favour of.
    Methane(Natural Gas) is in fact a gas several factors greater in the green house effect than CO2, so it could be argued we are doing the planet a service by burning it.
    So if Methane is that bad should we slaughter all of the fahting sheep and cattle wandering around as they are polluting the planet, or may be harness the gas by putting bags on their backs and a supply tube stuffed up their back sides. Clearly ridiculous but more environmentally friendly than Wind Turbines I am sure.
    The modern world has evolved by energy useage and production, to stop it would mean a return to the dark ages and the subsequent reduction of the number of people on the planet by infection and the cold and starvation.That may be a good thing as there are far to many people on the planet already.
    Like it or not, we need energy, green production of it in the quantities we require and the times we require it is unworkable.
    The only practical solution that I can see is the cracking of the Fusion process.
    Returning to Fracking. It is not an ideal solution but in my view far safer both environmentally and worker safety than Coal Mining. A lot of the Fire in water examples have been proven to be nothing to do with Fracking and caused by Methane getting into the Water Supply from Coal Mines.
    The energy supply is a complex problem, but the solution cannot be so called green energy. We have to accept that energy generation is a polluting process as in deed Life itself is polluting.
    Before man evolved, Oxygen was a pollutant, without it Man or life as we know it would never exist. I am not by any means suggesting pollution is a good thing but the very process of living is polluting, all we can hope to achieve is minimising the amount we throw into the environment.
    My view is that Fusion minimises it more than any other practical mean of energy production.
     
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  3. ellal

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    The words gullible and fool come to mind... ;)
     
  4. Hysteresis

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    Really !!!!
     
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    If you believe what you typed, then most certainly Yes... :rolleyes:
     
  6. Graeme1983

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    There are some fair points there, but also a bit too much PR speak in response to what was a quick throwaway comment that leads me to believe you have polished this spiel off before on other forums. You views seem set in stone as well about any protester being the great unwashed but from what I have read and heard about it was a mixed group with plenty of locals out at the Balcombe site, Luddite as well implies that anyone who doesnt think that any new technology is automatically good, well a good example on a DIY site is that modern materials and techniques such as concrete, cement and damp proofing chemicals, miracle foils and so on didnt do much for old houses these last fifty years...

    If these miracles to the worlds ills like fracking or GM were so good why do have to operate outside of state regulation? Why in the case of GM are tests made to be passed? Why are scientists who voice concerns silenced and have their careers sidelined? example :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pusztai_affair)

    I have an open mind and for someone environmentally inclined Im relatively pro nuclear as I think the pollution from it is less pervasise then coal or fracking.

    You mention methane there and there are means that human waste and rubbish can have the methane harvested for energy use, why isnt more done with this rather then landfill or incineration?

    If all less harmful avenues are pursued and exhausted and its still not enough then fairplay but that isnt the case. Its all about get rich quick. Mark my words, fracking wont mean cheaper energy for the man on the street(or in his armchair next to the radiator), but more profits for energy companies as they dont have to pay the meerkats for their gas.
     
  7. Norcon

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    Modern day western people are big soft shy*tes.
    If it drops a degree below 21c then they are reaching for the boiler controls.

    Everything must be on a button within arms length.

    Its no wonder their is a looming energy crisis and its no wonder the big company owners are sitting in their board rooms scheming because the fatted sheep will surely follow.

    When my grandpa came home from a days herding where he might have walked 50 mile, his only comfort was raking the ashes from the fire at the end of the night and putting them in his boots to dry them out for the followings days herding.
     
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    My views are certainly not set in stone, if a workable alternative is on offer I will go for that as a source of energy. But honestly I do not see a viable alternative. I have no PR agenda, only opinions that can be changed given workable alternatives.
    Luddite in my dictionary is one who resists change rather than yours that seems to suggest that it is one who does not consider new technology is automatically good.
    The 'Rent A Mob' apparent at Balcombe seemed to outnumber the locals. I agree there were locals there but they appeared to be in a minority, after all Balcombe is quite a small place.
    I do not know a great deal about Fracking, but from what I have read it seems to be safer environmentally and humanly safer than coal mining. I await to be persuaded otherwise, and will accept thechange of opinion if presented with an appropriate argument.
    I am like you in that I am relatively pro Fission nuclear, but very pro Fusion nuclear.
    My original heading of Frack, or not to Frack still remains a question in my mind.
     
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    Well Norcon, thankfully we have come a long way since those heady days.
     
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    Yeah, we've refined ways of f*cking up our enviroment for good this time...

    (Well a selected few have worked out how to make a profit doing so)

    Reliant of course on gullible fools like you!... ;)
     
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    Why didn't he get a horse.???
     
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    He wasn't a horse rider.
     
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    Serves him f*cking right then. :LOL:

    (putting my tissues away). :LOL: :LOL:
     
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    Brilliant! It's the way you tell them! :LOL: :LOL:
     
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