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Zion and the Art of Armageddon

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Highway Man said:
The IDF are just doing their job that they have been sent to do.
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They could always so no to illegal orders.
Judging by some of the videos of IDF singing, dancing, and making tasteless comments after such war crimes, it appears they are happy to follow illegal orders to kill women and children. Not to mention the killing of Palestinians in the West Bank. And the abuse and murder of Palestinian prisoners.
 
Knave of Hearts said:
They could always so no to illegal orders.
Judging by some of the videos of IDF singing, dancing, and making tasteless comments after such war crimes, it appears they are happy to follow illegal orders to kill women and children. Not to mention the killing of Palestinians in the West Bank. And the abuse and murder of Palestinian prisoners.
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There is good and bad in everyone.
 
denso13 said:
Toddlers shot in the head by snipers. Maybe they looked older, maybe not.
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A lot of information is missing, the sound of children been shot by snipers is pretty awful to hear but if that say 15 or 16 year old child was armed and firing at the IDF then it doesnt sound so terrible.
 
Highway Man said:
A lot of information is missing, the sound of children been shot by snipers is pretty awful to hear but if that say 15 or 16 year old child was armed and firing at the IDF then it doesnt sound so terrible.
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15 year olds aren't toddlers.
 
“the Jews are not a nation, but a religious community”. (A Guardian 'Long Read'.)

Zionism in the modern sense was largely a product of the mass migration from the Russian Empire, and even in the interwar years pro-Zionist movements in America were still outranked socially by the officially “non-Zionist” American Jewish Committee (AJC), which represented the leadership of the most assimilated section of the Jewish population whose arrival predated the “Russians”. The wartime AJC president, Judge Joseph Proskauer, regarded Zionist propaganda for a homeland in Palestine as “a Jewish catastrophe”, and insisted that “from every point of view of safety for Jews in America there has got to be an open, vocal Jewish dissent from nationalism and political Zionism”.

The Zionists believed a Jewish national home would end the problem by providing a sanctuary to which all Jews would naturally gravitate. For anti-Zionists, antisemitism was a problem of racial prejudice and incomplete democratisation that was best fought in solidarity with other minorities

William Zukerman described himself as “pro-Israel” but “anti-nationalist”. He criticised what he called “the wave of Messianic nationalism which the Hitler Holocaust has released” among American Jews. he argued that the Jews risked adopting a cruelty that was already changing “the entire character of the people”. Israel had turned Jews into “conquerors” whose indifference to the plight of the Arab refugees betrayed Judaism’s tradition of sympathy for the oppressed. He wrote: “To criticise any policy of Israel, whether it is the rendering homeless of a million native Arabs, the treatment of the Arab minority as second-class citizens or the transformation of the new state into a racial theocracy, is denounced not only as anti-Israel but as antisemitic.” Recent research has revealed that Israeli diplomats were concerned enough about Zukerman’s influence to mount a behind-the-scenes campaign against him, enlisting American Zionist organisations and eventually pressuring the proprietors of Jewish newspapers to drop him.

Yet the Ben-Gurion government continued to assert that it had the authority “to speak and act for Jews everywhere”. Its 1952 legislation that settled the fate of the old international Zionist organisations begins with the statement: “The State of Israel regards itself as the creation of the entire Jewish people.” The AJC had argued for the inclusion of a crucial clause: “The State of Israel, representing only its own inhabitants, regards itself as the creation of the entire Jewish people.” But to Blaustein’s fury, this clause did not appear in the version passed by the Knesset.

It was the six-day war in 1967 that was perhaps the real turning point...Giving to the United Jewish Appeal rose from $65m in 1966 to $240m the next year and to $511m by 1974. This was the real beginning of pro-Israel political advocacy in the United States, though it was as yet on a small scale compared with today. There were already voices, many of them Jewish, warning that the country’s military triumphs and territorial conquests might yet yield only a Pyrrhic victory. But condemnation of Israel was not yet so regularly connected to the issue of antisemitism.
 
Highway Man said:
It is a possibility. Depends on the age of the child. We are not talking young children here. A child can be up to 16.
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What age would you estimate the dead children in these photographs.
WARNING: SERIOUSLY DISTRESING IMAGES IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS

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That is 1 page of 100 pages of photographs. About 60 photographs per page.
 
Knave of Hearts said:
What age would you estimate the dead children in these photographs.
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That is 1 page of 100 pages of photographs. About 60 photographs per page.
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Words fail me where you are concerned, why are you. showing these pictures and what is your aim from this? Everyone is aware that people will get killed in a war, you dont need to come onto a forum and show these images for cheap likes. These are people grieving and not for your entertainment.
 
Highway Man said:
Words fail me where you are concerned, why are you. showing these pictures and what is your aim from this? Everyone is aware that people will get killed in a war, you dont need to come onto a forum and show these images for cheap likes. These are people grieving and not for your entertainment.
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Typically, and as expected, you misconstrue my motive for posting that link.
I was initially looking for evidence to prove to you that when the news items talk about children being killed by the IDF, they are children.
When I found that site, I thought long and hard at posting the link.
Personally I couldn't get the past the first page without being sickened, angry and very, very sad. Anguished ia a better word.

I intentionally did not show the pictures, but I did provide the link for those that wanted to check that the proof that children and babies were being killed in Gaze by Israel/IDF, existed. Nearly 40,000 at the last count.
I only provided that link with the very strong warning that the images were extremely distressing.
I wasn't sure if the Mods would allow it to remain.
I'm glad they did. Every single person who disbelieves, or excuses, the horrendous atrocities perpetrated by Israel and the IDF need to see those images.
Then let them dare to excuse the shocking treatment being dealt on the Palestinians by a so-called civil society.

But you came close to excusing those atrocities with your "that's what happens in a war" comment. "Everyone is aware that people will get killed in a war".
That isn't normal killing in a war.
That's downright cruel, degrading, horrendous, shocking levels of genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crimes.

And the madness continues. No wonder Israel won't allow journalists in to Gaza.

I've never wished the death penalty on anyone, but Netanyahu comes very close.
 
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Knave of Hearts said:
Typically, and as expected, you misconstrue my motive for posting that link.
I was initially looking for evidence to prove to you that when the news items talk about children being killed by the IDF, they are children.
When I found that site, I thought long and hard at posting the link.
Personally I couldn't get the past the first page without being sickened, angry and very, very sad. Anguished ia a better word.

I intentionally did not show the pictures, but I did provide the link for those that wanted to check that the proof that children and babies were being killed in Gaze by Israel/IDF, existed. Nearly 40,000 at the last count.
I only provided that link with the very strong warning that the images were extremely distressing.
I wasn't sure if the Mods would allow it to remain.
I'm glad they did. Every single person who disbelieves, or excuses, the horrendous atrocities perpetrated by Israel and the IDF need to see those images.
Then let them dare to excuse the shocking treatment being dealt on the Palestinians by a so-called civil society.

But you came close to excusing those atrocities with your "that's what happens in a war" comment. "Everyone is aware that people will get killed in a war".
That isn't normal killing in a war.
That's downright cruel, degrading, horrendous, shocking levels of genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crimes.

And the madness continues. No wonder Israel won't allow journalists in to Gaza.

I've never wished the death penalty on anyone, but Netanyahu comes very close.
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You are one sick puppy. Nobody is disputing that children would have been killed during this war, I still do not see your point? What are you going to link to next, images of other dead people as though anyone is surprised people are being killed. Moron.
 
Highway Man said:
You are one sick puppy. Nobody is disputing that children would have been killed during this war, I still do not see your point? What are you going to link to next, images of other dead people as though anyone is surprised people are being killed. Moron.
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What a surprise, you prefer to talk about my motives and what I might do next, than to recognise the disgusting and barbaric actions of the Israeli IDF.
And you're still excusing the horrendous killing of children (nearly 40,000 so far) by Israel and the IDF, as normal war.
There's nothing normal about killing more children and women than males, who might, or might not be, active participants.
Remember the number of active Hamas members was estimated at 30,000 to 40,000 at the beginning of this one-sided atrocity.
There's neatly 40,000 children killed so far, as many as the highest estimate of Hamas members.

What kind of soldier can intentionally kill such small and innocent children.
That's not soldiering! That's a slowly developing massacre.
 
Knave of Hearts said:
What a surprise, you prefer to talk about my motives and what I might do next, than to recognise the disgusting and barbaric actions of the Israeli IDF.
And you're still excusing the horrendous killing of children (nearly 40,000 so far) by Israel and the IDF, as normal war.
There's nothing normal about killing more children and women than males, who might, or not be, active participants.
Remember the number of active Hamas members was estimated at 30,000 to 40,000 at the beginning of this one-sided atrocity.
There's neatly 40,000 children killed so far, as many as the highest estimate of Hamas members.

What kind of soldier can intentionally kill such small and innocent children.
That's not soldiering! That's a slowly developing massacre.
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You have gone way down in my opinion of you through this ridiculous post. The bar was set low to begin with but now you are limboing underneath it. Funny you haven't shown any casualties from any other wars raging accross the globe, just the Jewish ones eh.
 
Highway Man said:
You have gone way down in my opinion of you through this ridiculous post.
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You brought it on with your denial and excusing of child deaths by Israel and the IDF.
You should take some of the responsibility for that.
I have little respect for you either, so your opinion of me is of no consequence.

I hope those images have shocked you into recognising the atrocities perpetrated by IDF, on the orders of Israel.
And I trust you will now accept that Israel and the IDF are indeed targeting and killing innocent young children.

Highway Man said:
Funny you haven't shown any casualties from any other wars raging accross the globe, just the Jewish ones eh.
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Check the thread title. :rolleyes:
But you want to divert attention away from those images by any means possible.
What a surprise.
 
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