Scissor Lift

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Hi All

I am the proud owner of a new scissor lift, which is able to lift up cars. Most people at this point ask 'why?', but its probably best not to go there right now...

After much grunting and wheezing, the lift has now been positioned in my garage and is ready for use. The thing is single phase 240V with the main feature being a 14.7A motor running the hydraulics. It can run on domestic power outlet says the blurb (not very helpful bearing in mind that this covers everything from the biggest oven to the smallest light!). I was so excited I had to test it and used a 13A plug on a normal ring main in my garage. It went up and down. I have never been so pleased.

Now I think I should wire it up slightly more properly on a dedicated circuit. Not least because where I want it there is no plug and really doesn't feel right to be plugging a fairly heavy duty bit of industrial kit into an extension lead.

In my garage I have a small CU, fed off a 32A MCB in the house via around 25m of SWA to the garage. In the garage CU there is a 32A MCB ring main, a 20A MCB radial circuit feeding a shed and a 32A MCB hot tub all protected by an RCD. This was all there when I bought the house, but its all pretty modern kit and the work certainly looks competently executed (unlike the garage lighting circuit which was probably put in when the house was built and I really should get sorted!).

The hot tub circuit is permanently off as the hot tub has left home. To save me hassle, I am thinking of simply using that circuit to feed the scissor lift and there is a convenient rotary isolation switch that I could wire it to. I would use some 6mm T&E I have and run it in conduit, which would seem adequate. As this would be a dedicated radial I would simply put one socket at the end and plug the lift into it.

I have 3 concerns: 1) I suspect that a bog-standard 32A MCB may be too sensitive given that the motor may well draw too much current at start-up. Maybe a 32A or 16A Type C MCB would be better. 2) Do you think that this big old motor would cause any problems with the RCD? , and 3) I am not sure I can do this myself under Part P. Presumably if I open the garage CU (i.e. change the MCB), it would be notifiable, but if I just put a new socket on the existing switch? All of this is indoors (well, in the garage).

Any help much appreciated.

JB
 
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Shed big enough for a scissor lift. Hot tub ??

Mate, spend some of your fortune on employing a competant electrician to install it for you :)
 
They must be a very large pair of scissors. Definately not manicure scissors. , just manic perhaps.
 
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I have 3 concerns: 1) I suspect that a bog-standard 32A MCB may be too sensitive given that the motor may well draw too much current at start-up. Maybe a 32A or 16A Type C MCB would be better.

Well, you've already had it running from a 32A MCB when you plugged your 14.7A motor into one of the (13A...) sockets in the garage, and the inrush didn't trip the MCB then.

2) Do you think that this big old motor would cause any problems with the RCD?

Probably not, although I would not suggest having any of your outbuildings share an RCD that also supplies one or more circuits in the house. You don't say if the SWA feeding your garage comes from an RCD protected way in the house, or if the RCD is located in the garage, the latter of the two being the better way of doing things.

I am not sure I can do this myself under Part P. Presumably if I open the garage CU (i.e. change the MCB), it would be notifiable, but if I just put a new socket on the existing switch? All of this is indoors (well, in the garage).

I'd suggest that you should change the MCB, as a C20 would seem a little more sensible for the intended load. Oh, and this work probably is notifiable. The garage isn't a special location, but I would consider the work to be provision of a new circuit.
 
I'd just like to add that you should probably use a commando plug & socket instead of the arrangement you have now.
 
I was so excited I had to test it and used a 13A plug on a normal ring main in my garage. It went up and down. I have never been so pleased.


I have 3 concerns: 1) I suspect that a bog-standard 32A MCB may be too sensitive given that the motor may well draw too much current at start-up. Maybe a 32A or 16A Type C MCB would be better.

Well, you've already had it running from a 32A MCB when you plugged your 14.7A motor into one of the (13A...) sockets in the garage, and the inrush didn't trip the MCB then.

Does it draw more amp under load? Have you tried it with a car on it? Would it be enough to trip?

Dan
 
Excellent replies thanks!

Mate, spend some of your fortune on employing a competant electrician to install it for you

Ha ha - fair comment, but think about it. The reason I am buying the scissor lift is that I like to do things with my hands (no hot tub jokes please). I could pay someone to re-condition my car, but if I can, I'd rather do it myself. Re competence - in years gone by I have done basic circuit work, installed sockets, changed arrangements in CU's etc with a little help from books (remember them?), forums like this and friends with more expertise. I would never do something I think would endanger me or my family. Seems funny that I can (and do) dismantle the suspension on cars, change brakes etc., and no-one needs to come and certify that. Ho hum...

The RCD is in the garage - the house feeds from a 32A dedicated MCB

Does it draw more amp under load? Have you tried it with a car on it? Would it be enough to trip?

Good question, so I plugged it in again positioned the car on top of it, and up we went. And down. And up. And down (etc...). About one in five cycles it would trip the RCD, not the MCB. It would generally do this when you lowered the ramp, as then it runs the motor for about one second to unload the safety locks (and then it gently descends on a valve). This one second 'burst' seems to be the problem.

Now, notwithstanding the above remarks this concerned me, as I would expect the MCB to go first and possibly I have some earth leakage somewhere. That definitely would require some sort of qualified assistance.

What do you think?
 
It would be easier if the bloody waterbed didn't keep leaking on the electrics.
 
Seems funny that I can (and do) dismantle the suspension on cars, change brakes etc., and no-one needs to come and certify that. Ho hum...

But your insurance might not pay out if it transpired that it was your incompetance that caused an accident (in both cases)......
 
But your insurance might not pay out if it transpired that it was your incompetance that caused an accident (in both cases)......

Fair comment, and of course you are right, although it would actually need to be poor work. So many things nowadays seem to relegate us to the presumption that everyone is only as capable as the lowest common denominator. Safest approach I guess, but I find it somehow sad also.
 
I am the proud owner of a new scissor lift, which is able to lift up cars. Most people at this point ask 'why?', but its probably best not to go there right now...
I don't go "why?", I go green with envy :mrgreen:

Garage high enough to use a lift, I'd settle for one that takes my Land Rover at all :rolleyes:
 

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