Commons Statement on Hillsborough

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Lets see who has had the bulk of compensation joe, now if you must debate honestly, do some bloody homework.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r=/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Rob+Preece


Traumatised Hillsborough police got compensation payouts THIRTY TIMES higher on average than families whose children were killed in the tragedy



Sixteen police officers received compensation totalling £1.5million in the aftermath of the disaster
Parents whose children were killed received £3,500 plus funeral expenses
Ninety-six Liverpool fans were crushed to death at the football stadium in April 1989
Compensation details revealed in papers which show police covered up their role in the tragedy



Police officers who claimed trauma after the Hillsborough Disaster were given more than £90,000 in compensation on average, while families of children killed in the tragedy typically received only £3,500.

Families of the victims today spoke of their anger as it emerged that 16 officers received payments totalling £1.5million in the aftermath of the event.

The average payout for officers was £93,000 - 30 times the statutory level of compensation received by parents whose children were among the 96 Liverpool supporters crushed to death at the football stadium in Sheffield in 1989.

Some of the bereaved claim they received as little as £1,000.

The shocking imbalance - revealed in papers published this week by the Hillsborough Independent Panel - has caused more upset to families who waited 23 years for justice after details of the disaster were covered up by police.

Trevor Hicks suffered post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) after his daughters Vicky, 15, and Sarah, 19, were killed at the FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.

He said he received a fraction of the amount received by some of the police officers who were on duty that day.

Mr Hicks, president of the Hillsborough Family Support Group (HFSG), told the People: 'Many who lost family members have received nothing. Yet we are seeing large amounts awarded to people who perhaps shouldn't have taken jobs in the first place.

'It should be fair and equitable for all. This is double standards.'

Margaret Aspinall, who lost her son James, 18, in the tragedy, said she received only £1,200.

'There are people who think we got millions,' she said. 'That couldn't be further from the truth.'

The panel's report stated: 'In cases that concerned the death of children, their parents received no more than the statutory bereavement allowance of £3,500 and funeral expenses.

'Cases that concerned the death of adults survived by dependants resulted in higher payments.

'Compensation for those who endured physical or psychological injury was assessed on the nature and extent of the injury, resulting loss of earnings or any ongoing medical costs.'

Billys back !! :cry:

The panel found that compensation claims from South Yorkshire Police (SYP) officers 'caused considerable tension within the force'.

It states: 'Senior officers viewed the claims with "great concern" and junior officers felt "immense pressure" from the force to withdraw them.'

The report continues: '£1.5million was ultimately paid out by SYP to 16 officers.

'The costs were met from the force's employers' insurance cover.'

The damning report revealed a cover-up took place to shift the blame on to the victims and that 41 of the 96 lives lost could have been saved.

The panel found 164 police statements were altered, 116 of them to remove or alter 'unfavourable' comments about the policing of the match and the unfolding disaster.

Reviews have been ordered by police authorities in West Yorkshire, into the actions of Chief Constable Sir Norman Bettison, who was a senior South Yorkshire officer at the time, and West Midlands, which conducted an investigation into the disaster.

South Yorkshire Police, which still employs 195 officers who were on duty at the ground on the day of the tragedy, said the force would refer itself to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

The HFSG today met for the first time since the report's publication to decide discuss the next step in its campaign for justice for the victims.

High-profile lawyers for the campaign, Michael Mansfield QC and Lord Falconer, were due to appear at the meeting at Liverpool's Anfield stadium via an internet videolink.

Mrs Aspinall, who chairs the group, said: 'We are going to be taking legal advice to find out what we do next. We have got to make sure we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.'

Mr Hicks said: 'We will be looking at all the options and seeing where we go from here. I think it's almost certain now that there will be fresh inquests.'

Following the three-and-a-half hour meeting, Trevor Hicks and Margaret Aspinall gave a statement to the media in which they expressed their desire for the inquest verdicts to be overturned and new ones to be held in Liverpool.

Mr Hicks said: 'This goes beyond Hillsborough. What happened on Wednesday was a disgrace to the nation, not just the families. This goes across society.'

A statement on behalf of the HFSG, said: 'The findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel have finally vindicated the families in their 23-year struggle to establish the truth.

'However, after truth must come justice. We have spoken today to our lawyers and taken initial advice.

'As the families have always believed and insisted, it was the actions and inaction of those in authority that caused the deaths at Hillsborough n April 15, 1989.

'The fans did not contribute to the tragedy. Any blame previously laid at their door has been shown to be part of a despicable conspiracy by those in authority to tarnish the reputations of the dead, the survivors of the disaster and the people of Liverpool. This conspiracy has been revealed for what it is; a bid to avoid accountability.

'Those responsible can avoid accountability no longer.'
Remembered: The names of all the 96 Hillsborough victims are displayed at St George's Place in Liverpool city centre following the publication of the panel's report

The statement said the families strongly condemn the comments made this week by Sir Norman Bettison. It says the 'monumental' scale of the wrongdoing and cover up will leave an 'indelible stain on the reputations of those authorities in whom the public implicitly placed their trust.'

The HFSG are now looking at three particular avenues to follow up: they are urging the attorney general to apply for new inquests, demanding full and immediate investigations into criminal prosecutions and, where appropriate, applying for civil proceedings to be reopened.

A spokesman for South Yorkshire Police said: 'Compensation tariffs for personal injury or conditions such as post traumatic stress disorder are defined by law.

'The payments received by officers, victims and families of victims following the Hillsborough Disaster were not determined by South Yorkshire Police.'
 
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WRONG all the familys ever wanted was the truth and justice for those in authority that lied so dont go there joe no compensation subsitutes a life

If all they wanted was the truth - and are happy now they seem to have it-- why oh why dont they call the pack of wolves off and let matters rest ??.
get real- for Gods sake- this saga will go on for another 20 years at least .

What the hell don't you understand about the term - JUSTICE?
Yes they have had the truth. That truth being that others were responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. Now they want those responsible to be held to account.
Put it this way. God forbid but your wife/husband/child is murdered. The police discover the perpetrator of this act and then say, "Ok, we know who it is and it wasn't your relative so now the case is closed." Would you be satisfied with that and 'move on'?
 
Are you saying that all compensation would be refused?
 
Compensation.
WRONG all the familys ever wanted was the truth and justice for those in authority that lied so dont go there joe no compensation subsitutes a life

If all they wanted was the truth - and are happy now they seem to have it-- why oh why dont they call the pack of wolves off and let matters rest ??.
get real- for Gods sake- this saga will go on for another 20 years at least .

What the hell don't you understand about the term - JUSTICE?
Yes they have had the truth. That truth being that others were responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. Now they want those responsible to be held to account.
Put it this way. God forbid but your wife/husband/child is murdered. The police discover the perpetrator of this act and then say, "Ok, we know who it is and it wasn't your relative so now the case is closed." Would you be satisfied with that and 'move on'?

Lets put it this way !!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was not the police, ambulencemen, stewards, ball boys, pie sellers, program sellers etc etc- who crushed the people who died.

If a driver goes through a traffic light that's not working- and knocks down and kills a pedestrian- is the local council held to blame ?.
No-- it's the driver of the vehicle .

Just take a step back and look at if from a outside of the local area point of view .
 
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Compensation.
WRONG all the familys ever wanted was the truth and justice for those in authority that lied so dont go there joe no compensation subsitutes a life

If all they wanted was the truth - and are happy now they seem to have it-- why oh why dont they call the pack of wolves off and let matters rest ??.
get real- for Gods sake- this saga will go on for another 20 years at least .

What the hell don't you understand about the term - JUSTICE?
Yes they have had the truth. That truth being that others were responsible for the deaths of their loved ones. Now they want those responsible to be held to account.
Put it this way. God forbid but your wife/husband/child is murdered. The police discover the perpetrator of this act and then say, "Ok, we know who it is and it wasn't your relative so now the case is closed." Would you be satisfied with that and 'move on'?

Lets put it this way !!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was not the police, ambulencemen, stewards, ball boys, pie sellers, program sellers etc etc- who crushed the people who died.

If a driver goes through a traffic light that's not working- and knocks down and kills a pedestrian- is the local council held to blame ?.
No-- it's the driver of the vehicle .

Just take a step back and look at if from a outside of the local area point of view .

I would say you work in government. You are such a procrastinator that cannot answer a simple question and resort to trying to throw a different angle on things.
To answer your question, yes the driver would be to blame, merely due to the fact he should be observant at all times not just at a traffic light.
Now answer my question. Would you be satisfied to be told they knew who committed the crime against your relative and it wasn't your relatives fault.
Simple answer to would you be satisfied. Yes? or No?
 
You're being drawn in like we were conny.
These people are all trolling like joe (should be banned)90, or anti liverpool as has already been said. You'll get nowhere, facts may be stubborn things, but they don't count for some.
 
facts may be stubborn things, but they don't count for some.

Something, you have conveniently forgotten at times sooey. You have consistently blamed the police 100%. The official report (which now seems to have been accepted) blames several external factors, which all added to the events of that day. Sheffield City Council, Sheffield Wednesday FC, South Yorkshire Police and even the FA have all contributed to the disaster, in their own ways. Who or what crushed the fans at the front of the Leppings Lane terracing that day? ( please don't tell me it was the SYP or the City Council or SWFC, even if they are all culpable)

FWIW, I find the altering of police records reprehensible. I also feel that certain high ranking officers of the SYP and members of the Police Federation should face justice.
 
You're being drawn in like we were conny.
These people are all trolling like joe (should be banned)90, or anti liverpool as has already been said. You'll get nowhere, facts may be stubborn things, but they don't count for some.

Not being drawn in mate. Just want a simple answer, yes or no, and as I have noticed in his/others posts they can use big words to avoid answering.
In other words they procrastinate to such an extent they resort to insults which shows their lack of intelligence.
I have asked a simple question which requires a one word answer and suddenly there is no response. Just shows he/she is not willing to commit themselves to answering a simple straight forward request, as do so many people in high authority.
Anyway, I said my piece earlier about how such a serious subject as this, which could have been a very good serious debate, has often turned into personal slanging matches.
I didn't expect an answer from PP and haven't received one. What does that tell you?
 
facts may be stubborn things, but they don't count for some.

Something, you have conveniently forgotten at times sooey. You have consistently blamed the police 100%. The official report (which now seems to have been accepted) blames several external factors, which all added to the events of that day. Sheffield City Council, Sheffield Wednesday FC, South Yorkshire Police and even the FA have all contributed to the disaster, in their own ways. Who or what crushed the fans at the front of the Leppings Lane terracing that day? ( please don't tell me it was the SYP or the City Council or SWFC, even if they are all culpable)

FWIW, I find the altering of police records reprehensible. I also feel that certain high ranking officers of the SYP and members of the Police Federation should face justice.

This is my last reply to you joinerjohn, you've gone down in my estimation on this thread. Like I said before some of the stupid comments you have made prove you to be an idiot.
for instance you post that above yet here is one my posts to you which you actually quoted back to me.

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I will not accept that South Yorkshire Police, were solely to blame.


They weren't

Sheff Wednesday were to blame for not spending money to make the ground safer.
The local council were to blame for not making them.
The FA were to blame for playing a semi at a ground which was known to be unsafe.


It's never our fault, it's never our fault. Always the victims, it's never our fault. Isn't that how it goes.


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facts may be stubborn things, but they don't count for some.

Something, you have conveniently forgotten at times sooey. You have consistently blamed the police 100%. The official report (which now seems to have been accepted) blames several external factors, which all added to the events of that day. Sheffield City Council, Sheffield Wednesday FC, South Yorkshire Police and even the FA have all contributed to the disaster, in their own ways. Who or what crushed the fans at the front of the Leppings Lane terracing that day? ( please don't tell me it was the SYP or the City Council or SWFC, even if they are all culpable)

FWIW, I find the altering of police records reprehensible. I also feel that certain high ranking officers of the SYP and members of the Police Federation should face justice.
Good post in as much as you have answered your own question. You still think that liverpool fans pushed which caused the crush, well if that was the case why the need for the south yorkshire police to lie about fans busting the gate open, lie about ticketless fans, failing to help the suffering, altering police records, and forming a black propagana unit to smear liverpool fans. Indeed your correct its reprehensible, they did it to cover up their major part in why 96 souls died that day.
 
More proof of the police cover up below. Duckenfield ordered the gates open at 2.50 and that is commom knowledge. A policeman in the control room responcible for the CCTV camera's and police radio traffic is asked to phone the fire service for cutters to help the injured.
What is staggering about the transcript is that the policeman is telling the fire service fans had broken the gates to get in! He himself knew Duckenfield ordered the gates open 24 minutes previous to this call.
Also note on the first page if they think its urgent or not! Its plain to see the smear campaign had already started.

http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/docs/SYP000011210001.pdf

They also told the ambulance services the same thing when first contacted. When the ambulances arrived at Hillsborough they were told to stay outside as the fans were "still fighting"
 
Let me ask Billy, sooey et al:

Will there be compensation claims?

Yes or no.
 
A lot of people that day, that was not a fan seeking to watch a footie match, failed in one way or another.

Some of those failures actually lead to a number of people dying that needed not die, even after the crush.

Some of the actions of the police were pathetic.

There were also many things that contributed like inadequate capacity and cages being a massive factor.

And what about the fans? You don't drive many miles, build yourself up for a big game only to stand outside whilst the start whistle goes off. You want to be inside and not miss a second of that match. The fans did what fans do, they tried to get into the stands.

It is right to compare fans to animals being herded there is nothing wrong with the comparison. It would have been easy, for instance, for someone to knowingly cause deaths simply by shutting a gate here, or a turnstile there and shepherd the fans say into an area not large enough to hold the amount.

You turn up anywhere in an environment that you are not totally familiar with and you EXPECT to be shepherded to your gate, departure lounge, tube platform, etc. If large numbers are expected to be attending then the shepherding becomes a different and more intense affair and the people in charge of the shepherding should be fully in control. We EXPECT this. Some flight attendants actually refer to the passengers as cattle.

There is no doubt that the fans were actually killing one another but they did not know. But those that were shepherding did know and they PANICKED!
 
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