Is a peoples vote likely?

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Ok, so you want a referendum with 1 question on it?

Lets us know how that works out for ya :ROFLMAO:
Looking forward to p issing myself laughing at you in a few months time ;)
 
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John Major thinks revoking article 50 is the only option......

Revoking article 50 can be done by the UK but I think getting an extension needs approval from the 27.

Extending article 50 is tricky due to the forthcoming EU elections.

I wonder if TM will suggest revoking as the alternative if her deal gets turned down.

Has TM considered the strategy between different options and has planned the path we are on?

My thoughts are:
1. The Tory party has no majority and it is split on Brexit.
2. The Tory party has a significant group of Brextremists
3. The referendum was considered a democratic result and the 'will of the people' must be followed.

So:
TM has always ruled out a peoples vote as that would have riled the Brextremists who wouldve got her out.

TM has therefore chosen to negotiate a deal which she has promoted as satisfying the 'will of the people'.

TM has talked up no deal as the only alternative to her deal. That was to get MPs to vote for her deal and marginalise the Brextemists.

The road is now opening up in front of her to get enough acceptance to article 50 bring revoked, or delayed and then a peoples vote. Brextemists csnt now do much to stop that and maybe the public might now accept 'the will of the people' isnt achievable -only option is 'the deal'

The risk she has is of Labour forcing a general election and getting those options. However Labour dont have the numbers.

The leave date is enshrined in law. The only way the UK can not leave on 29th March is if there is another Act of Parliament to alter it.
 
But doesn't a no deal mandate a hard border between ROI and NI? This is illegal under UK law?
 
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And here's a representative of "smart money"

This odious character, and associates, shovelled millions into firing up Leave, and profited billions from the ensuing turmoil.

Now he seeks to make more billions by the collapse of Brexit.

"Odey homes in on UK assets ahead of key Brexit vote

Investors say scrapping EU exit would trigger ‘monster’ rally in stocks and sterling"


"A top hedge fund manager says he is losing faith in the chances of the UK leaving the EU, leaving sterling well placed for a rare but rapid rally.

Crispin Odey, founder of Odey Asset Management and a big financial backer of the campaign to leave the union, had been betting against the pound throughout last year, in the expectation that leaving the bloc would hit the UK economy hard. But in the past two weeks he closed those short positions, and is now neutral on the currency, he told the Financial Times.

He has also been buying some UK stocks including Dixons, the high street retailer. “Markets have already decided essentially that Brexit isn’t going to happen,” he said. “The pound should rally; it’s very oversold.”

Investors’ enthusiasm to pounce on news suggesting the exit from the UK may be softened, delayed, or even scrapped, is clear. On Friday the pound jumped as much as 0.6 per cent to a high of $1.2850 on reports the Cabinet was planning to delay Brexit and after foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt said voting down Theresa May’s deal to exit the EU could scupper Brexit altogether.

Next week, the prime minister’s plan for Brexit will be presented to parliament for approval. Mr Odey is among those who believe it will not pass. Given that three-quarters of MPs voted to stay in the EU in the 2016 referendum, “it’s easy to see . . . that you’re going to get a Remain result”, he said. “I haven’t given up the Brexit dream. But I don’t think the pound will crash down to $1.05,” he added. Sterling “has got a positive bias to it”.

After spending most of 2018 heading south against the dollar and the euro, sterling has rebounded against the greenback and is roughly flat against the single currency since mid-December.

Defeats in the House of Commons for the government have revealed what appears to be a majority of MPs against a no-deal Brexit and limited the government’s options. Other market participants agree that any shift to a soft Brexit would kick the pound much higher, particularly given the weight of bets against it that have persisted for the past two years.

It would be a “monster” rally, said Gregory Perdon, co-chief investment officer at private bank Arbuthnot Latham.

Mr Odey, whose Odey European fund gained 53 per cent last year as one of the world’s best-performing hedge funds after losing 21.7 per cent the previous year, said Mrs May’s Brexit proposal was “completely out”.

A so-called Norway Plus option, in which Britain would become part of the European Free Trade Association, is “not bad” but “a long way short” of a full Brexit, he added.

Most hedge funds have been reluctant to place bets one way or another on sterling for some time, believing that the political turmoil was too hard to decipher and that the eventual move in the pound could just as easily be lower or higher. However, in recent months some have started to venture in by buying call options — the right to buy at a set price — which lets them profit from a rebound whilst limiting their losses.

Banks’ analysts are also turning positive on the pound because they believe the prospect of a no-deal is too ugly for lawmakers to stomach. BNP Paribas, for instance, said it was “time to go long”. “We expect the pound to strengthen if a consensus builds for a second EU referendum ‒ as we see as likely to be the case ‒ as markets adjust to an increased probability of no Brexit and a reduced probability of a ‘no deal’,” said Parisha Saimbi at the French bank. Sterling would rise to around $1.36 in that scenario, she predicted — a pick-up of nearly 10 cents. Kit Juckes at Société Générale goes further, suggesting that if it breaks $1.35 it could reach as high as $1.45. Its average between 2010 and 2015 was, after all, $1.58, he said. “Not an easy spot trade” he said, given the problems in picking timing, but potentially one to play through options."

https://www.ft.com/content/cc491f18-15bc-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e


Do you know who the people are that will actually be better off as a result of Brexit? I do. It isn't the common citizens of the country. Not even the richest 10%
You are going to feel rather silly after March the 29th when you realise that civilisation as we know it hasn't collapsed.
 
But doesn't a no deal mandate a hard border between ROI and NI? This is illegal under UK law?
Its interesting that the May deal is criticised for not resolving the Irish border by people who want to leave on WTO terms which has exactly the same issue......
 
Customs checks, border checkpoints...
If there are are customs checks at the N.Ireland border then there will have to be custom checks at Holyhead and Dover ,both of which are a lot busier than the N.I./R.o.I. border.
 
Looking forward to p issing myself laughing at you in a few months time ;)
Bless Ellal is confused :ROFLMAO:

The poor chap still can't understand why his posts get removed or he gets blocked.........can somebody please tell him so he can stop crying 'mod bias' every few minutes (y)
 
Crivens! Seems like the EU is willing to extend A50 until July.... this is getting a bit much now... time for the UK to sh*t or get off the pot!
 
The people have already voted.
They have voted 56 times in General Elections since 1802.

Why didn't we just stick with the results of that one, and never ask again?

Feel free to be entirely logical and consistent in your explanation.

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The risk she has is of Labour forcing a general election and getting those options. However Labour dont have the numbers.
Even if they did, and even if they won, their version of Brexantasy would no more survive contact with reality than hers.
 
And here's a representative of "smart money"

This odious character, and associates, shovelled millions into firing up Leave, and profited billions from the ensuing turmoil.

Now he seeks to make more billions by the collapse of Brexit.

"Odey homes in on UK assets ahead of key Brexit vote

Investors say scrapping EU exit would trigger ‘monster’ rally in stocks and sterling"


"A top hedge fund manager says he is losing faith in the chances of the UK leaving the EU, leaving sterling well placed for a rare but rapid rally.

Crispin Odey, founder of Odey Asset Management and a big financial backer of the campaign to leave the union, had been betting against the pound throughout last year, in the expectation that leaving the bloc would hit the UK economy hard. But in the past two weeks he closed those short positions, and is now neutral on the currency, he told the Financial Times.

He has also been buying some UK stocks including Dixons, the high street retailer. “Markets have already decided essentially that Brexit isn’t going to happen,” he said. “The pound should rally; it’s very oversold.”

Investors’ enthusiasm to pounce on news suggesting the exit from the UK may be softened, delayed, or even scrapped, is clear. On Friday the pound jumped as much as 0.6 per cent to a high of $1.2850 on reports the Cabinet was planning to delay Brexit and after foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt said voting down Theresa May’s deal to exit the EU could scupper Brexit altogether.

Next week, the prime minister’s plan for Brexit will be presented to parliament for approval. Mr Odey is among those who believe it will not pass. Given that three-quarters of MPs voted to stay in the EU in the 2016 referendum, “it’s easy to see . . . that you’re going to get a Remain result”, he said. “I haven’t given up the Brexit dream. But I don’t think the pound will crash down to $1.05,” he added. Sterling “has got a positive bias to it”.

After spending most of 2018 heading south against the dollar and the euro, sterling has rebounded against the greenback and is roughly flat against the single currency since mid-December.

Defeats in the House of Commons for the government have revealed what appears to be a majority of MPs against a no-deal Brexit and limited the government’s options. Other market participants agree that any shift to a soft Brexit would kick the pound much higher, particularly given the weight of bets against it that have persisted for the past two years.

It would be a “monster” rally, said Gregory Perdon, co-chief investment officer at private bank Arbuthnot Latham.

Mr Odey, whose Odey European fund gained 53 per cent last year as one of the world’s best-performing hedge funds after losing 21.7 per cent the previous year, said Mrs May’s Brexit proposal was “completely out”.

A so-called Norway Plus option, in which Britain would become part of the European Free Trade Association, is “not bad” but “a long way short” of a full Brexit, he added.

Most hedge funds have been reluctant to place bets one way or another on sterling for some time, believing that the political turmoil was too hard to decipher and that the eventual move in the pound could just as easily be lower or higher. However, in recent months some have started to venture in by buying call options — the right to buy at a set price — which lets them profit from a rebound whilst limiting their losses.

Banks’ analysts are also turning positive on the pound because they believe the prospect of a no-deal is too ugly for lawmakers to stomach. BNP Paribas, for instance, said it was “time to go long”. “We expect the pound to strengthen if a consensus builds for a second EU referendum ‒ as we see as likely to be the case ‒ as markets adjust to an increased probability of no Brexit and a reduced probability of a ‘no deal’,” said Parisha Saimbi at the French bank. Sterling would rise to around $1.36 in that scenario, she predicted — a pick-up of nearly 10 cents. Kit Juckes at Société Générale goes further, suggesting that if it breaks $1.35 it could reach as high as $1.45. Its average between 2010 and 2015 was, after all, $1.58, he said. “Not an easy spot trade” he said, given the problems in picking timing, but potentially one to play through options."

https://www.ft.com/content/cc491f18-15bc-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e


Do you know who the people are that will actually be better off as a result of Brexit? I do. It isn't the common citizens of the country. Not even the richest 10%
I would wager that George Soros is one of them, he is in the world top 1% ,
 
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