If 25% of a roof is replaced you need building approval?

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Just been reading this on other forums, apparently if you have a roof retiled/new felts and it covers more than 25% of the roof surface you need building approval related to insulation and efficiency?

Is this true/correct? I'm surprised as I've never heard it before and honestly no idea how they'd certify the insulation was improved Vs the previous insulation if they don't inspect it before the work is done?

How is it certified, how do they confirm it's up to standards, even if it's just a re roof without modification? Feels like being punished, just to ensure the house stays dry!
 
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apparently if you have a roof retiled/new felts and it covers more than 25% of the roof surface you need building approval
Not quite. There is a subtle distinction...

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Interesting, so really a full roof would be required as it's 100% of the roof affected?
 
When we had our roof taken off and put back on, we tacked it on to another regs application. It's a 1902 and we were re-slating and in all honesty the inspector was completely disinterested in the roof aspect. At the end he did ask if we'd added any extra insulation in the loft, and when we said yes, he ticked it off without inspection.

Can't see it's a big deal - the application is not that expensive in comparison to the roof works - do it on a notice and just say you're taking the covering off and re-felting and replacing as maintenance. It makes more sense to think of it as control on structure rather than insulation performance (because in most cases unless it's a flat roof or a loft conversion, the insulation is in the ceiling not the roof) - replacing slate with heavy concrete for example, might require structural alterations.
 
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Must be the most ignored building regulation (with the same for wall work). I replaced my roof in sections over a period of a few years.
 
with the same for wall work
Y - same experience. Our old-school and very pragmatic LA inspector said that as far as he was concerned plaster was decoration and whatever we did when stripping out to bare brick and insulating was going to be better than it was.
 
I had a re-roof of the 'extension' on the back of our terrace.
The roof area was about 20% of the total.
BC were interested, as we were making a material change, from slate to EPDM.
Again, we had a pragmatic inspector, and we tacked on a regularisation and some party wall build-up.
It was also really useful to have him on-board; keeping the roofers inline and helping when we found the loose old wallplate was only being held up by a gas pipe!
 
We had our last house totally re-roofed - new membrane, battens and all tiles. Didn't know about this, the roofer didn't know or care and nothing bad resulted from it. We sold shortly after, advertised it was re-roofed recently, the buyer's solicitor didn't ask anything about it, no problems at all.

What are they going to check? Sounds like an exercise in selling you a piece of paper for £100s.
 
I know of one local council who's inspectors were actively looking for skips and scaffold whilst they were out and about and checking the address for applications.

And whether re-roofing works, along with other recladding or plastering, window replacement and other works generally gets reported on by a surveyor, is all down to the quality of that surveyor. When acting for a buyer client, any surveyor should be acting in the best interests of that client and doing their job properly.
 
@^woody^ you would think the "system" would be robust enough to prevent "bad things", but it surely doesn't. The house attached to us has been "refurbished and developed". I don't know who the inspector was, but several things have been done that should never have been passed (including a dodgy loft conversion), and the youngish couple who have bought it, must have had a survey, and still bought it...
 
@^woody^ you would think the "system" would be robust enough to prevent "bad things", but it surely doesn't. The house attached to us has been "refurbished and developed". I don't know who the inspector was, but several things have been done that should never have been passed (including a dodgy loft conversion), and the youngish couple who have bought it, must have had a survey, and still bought it...
Part L requirements (in the context of this thread), are a bit of crap legislation tacked on to what are intended to be "life safety" regulations but are increasingly being used for political objectives.

The regulations generally are intended to allow flexibility, and that is the correct approach IMO. The weak link is the interpretation by individuals, but that should be dealt with by suitable training and good management. The LABC are working hard to get comprehensive and consistent messages out through their members and partners.

The buying process is a different problem.
There is not only the issue of flexibility being applied to past building work inspections (with future parties not knowing the context of past decisions), but unauthorised changes to past work (making past approvals invalid), unauthorised work with no applications, time-limited enforcement potential, and wear and tear making past compliance potentially noncompliant.
So this is why, IMO, it's very important for buyers to get a professional opinion of that particular property at the current moment in time. And this should appraise the buyer's potential implications and liabilities of purchasing the property. And the weak links in this case are the buyer (ignorance or reluctance to spend as little as 0.001% of the [significant] purchase price on any sort of report), and the surveyor - who seem to be more and more concerned with just the visual or technical aspects of a survey, and not the building in context of property or an asset.

And the RICS are failing here. The quality of home surveys vary widely despite attempts at standardisation. The RICS seems to be more concerned with protecting their brand, and there is the constant fear of individuals or firms needing to protect their own insurance - so reluctance to say anything non-standard or meaningful.

But if surveyors were doing their jobs, they would be able to advise buyers if say the standard of work, authorised or not, or the lack of approval for a particular alteration is in fact an issue that will materially affect them.

There are wider issues with the whole sale process, but that's for another thread.
 
It seems to me that revenue is the main motivator behind building control these days. They sell very expensive sheets of paper.

I'm getting cynical and rebellious these days. If you get away with it for two years then they can't enforce anything retrospectively. The worst possible outcome is they may need some investigative work, e.g. taking some tiles off, and I think they can charge double fees if it's approved later. Based on that I'm happy to do everything beyond all standards, take loads of photos during and not hand the money over.

Obviously only for DIY. For the trade there probably isn't a choice.
 
"It can't be enforced after x years" is up there with "what do I need to do just to pass building regulations" in terms of narrow minded thinking.
 
I'm getting cynical and rebellious these days
You and I both. I think it goes with the grey hair - the greyer you get the more cynical you become....
 

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