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Can anyone (Ban?? 
) point me to the changes in Part P for April?
) point me to the changes in Part P for April?
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securespark said:Can anyone (Ban??
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/pub/323/ApprovedDocumentPElectricalsafetydwellings2006edition_id1164323.pdf
The above is the Approved Document.
To complete the picture, here is the actual legislation: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2006/20060652.htm
To complete the picture, here is the actual legislation: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2006/20060652.htm
Should hopefully read something like this:
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PART 1
PART 2
NEW SCHEDULE 2B TO THE BUILDING REGULATIONS 2000
" SCHEDULE 2B
Regulation 12(5)
DESCRIPTIONS OF WORK WHERE NO BUILDING NOTICE OR DEPOSIT OF FULL PLANS REQUIRED
1. Work consisting of -
(a) replacing any fixed electrical equipment which does not include the provision of—
(i) any new fixed cabling; or
(ii) a consumer unit;"; and
(b) replacing a damaged cable for a single circuit only;
(c) re-fixing or replacing enclosures of existing installation components, where the circuit protective measures are unaffected;
(d) providing mechanical protection to an existing fixed installation, where the circuit protective measures and current carrying capacity of conductors are unaffected by the increased thermal insulation.
(e) installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding;
(f) in heating or cooling systems—
(i) replacing control devices that utilise existing fixed control wiring or pneumatic pipes;
(ii) replacing a distribution system output device;
(iii) providing a valve or a pump;
(iv) providing a damper or a fan;
(g) in hot water service systems, providing a valve or a pump;
(h) replacing an external door (where the door together with its frame has not more than 50% of its internal face area glazed);
(i) in existing buildings other than dwellings, providing fixed internal lighting where no more than 100m² of the floor area of the building is to be served by the lighting.";
2. Work which -
(a) is not in a kitchen, or a special location,
(b) does not involve work on a special installation, and
(c) consists of -
(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit; or
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit;
3. Work on -
(a) telephone wiring or extra-low voltage wiring for the purposes of communications, information technology, signalling, control and similar purposes, where the wiring is not in a special location;
(b) equipment associated with the wiring referred to in sub-paragraph (a).
(c) pre-fabricated equipment sets and associated flexible leads with integral plug and socket connections
4. For the purposes of this Schedule -
"kitchen" means a room or part of a room which contains a sink and food preparation facilities;
"special installation" means an electric floor or ceiling heating system, an outdoor lighting or electric power installation, an electricity generator, or an extra-low voltage lighting system which is not a pre-assembled lighting set bearing the CE marking referred to in regulation 9 of the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994[14]; and
"special location" means a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower, a swimming or paddling pool or a hot air sauna in the Wiring Regulations, sixteenth edition, published by the Institution of Electrical Engineers and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2001 and incorporating amendments 1 and 2."
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I think this is correct although I think 1(h) may be a typo.
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PART 1
PART 2
NEW SCHEDULE 2B TO THE BUILDING REGULATIONS 2000
" SCHEDULE 2B
Regulation 12(5)
DESCRIPTIONS OF WORK WHERE NO BUILDING NOTICE OR DEPOSIT OF FULL PLANS REQUIRED
1. Work consisting of -
(a) replacing any fixed electrical equipment which does not include the provision of—
(i) any new fixed cabling; or
(ii) a consumer unit;"; and
(b) replacing a damaged cable for a single circuit only;
(c) re-fixing or replacing enclosures of existing installation components, where the circuit protective measures are unaffected;
(d) providing mechanical protection to an existing fixed installation, where the circuit protective measures and current carrying capacity of conductors are unaffected by the increased thermal insulation.
(e) installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding;
(f) in heating or cooling systems—
(i) replacing control devices that utilise existing fixed control wiring or pneumatic pipes;
(ii) replacing a distribution system output device;
(iii) providing a valve or a pump;
(iv) providing a damper or a fan;
(g) in hot water service systems, providing a valve or a pump;
(h) replacing an external door (where the door together with its frame has not more than 50% of its internal face area glazed);
(i) in existing buildings other than dwellings, providing fixed internal lighting where no more than 100m² of the floor area of the building is to be served by the lighting.";
2. Work which -
(a) is not in a kitchen, or a special location,
(b) does not involve work on a special installation, and
(c) consists of -
(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit; or
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit;
3. Work on -
(a) telephone wiring or extra-low voltage wiring for the purposes of communications, information technology, signalling, control and similar purposes, where the wiring is not in a special location;
(b) equipment associated with the wiring referred to in sub-paragraph (a).
(c) pre-fabricated equipment sets and associated flexible leads with integral plug and socket connections
4. For the purposes of this Schedule -
"kitchen" means a room or part of a room which contains a sink and food preparation facilities;
"special installation" means an electric floor or ceiling heating system, an outdoor lighting or electric power installation, an electricity generator, or an extra-low voltage lighting system which is not a pre-assembled lighting set bearing the CE marking referred to in regulation 9 of the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994[14]; and
"special location" means a location within the limits of the relevant zones specified for a bath, a shower, a swimming or paddling pool or a hot air sauna in the Wiring Regulations, sixteenth edition, published by the Institution of Electrical Engineers and the British Standards Institution as BS 7671: 2001 and incorporating amendments 1 and 2."
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I think this is correct although I think 1(h) may be a typo.
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The specific requirement for testing seems to have fallen by the wayside.
Is it the start of a U turn?
Is it the start of a U turn?
My guess is that the removal of the testing requirement is to make the case that installers do not have to test, and that LABCs do (something the ODPM is very keen on stressing), watertight.
If you're right, there will be have to be some big increases in building inspection fees.
Can you see LABCs rushing to train and equip their inspectors to carry out widespread testing of electrical installations. Perhaps the change is intended to relieve the LABC of liability where they are notified of an installation but don't test it?
Can you see LABCs rushing to train and equip their inspectors to carry out widespread testing of electrical installations. Perhaps the change is intended to relieve the LABC of liability where they are notified of an installation but don't test it?
Section 1.26. The building control body may choose to carry out the inspection and testing itself, or to contract out some or all the work to a specialist body which will then carry out the works on its behalf. Building control bodies will carry out the necessary inspection and testing at their expense, not at the householders expense
My interpretation of that along with 1.17 and 1.27 is the LABC will sub-contract the testing to either a PP company or consultant (they love consultants) who will test and inspect the installation on their behalf (to what level is anyones guess). The LABC will then keep the results themselves and issue a building regulations completion certificate. The house holder will not a get a 7671 cert from anybody.
It seems to me that at some stage there are going to be liability issues if something goes wrong.
My interpretation of that along with 1.17 and 1.27 is the LABC will sub-contract the testing to either a PP company or consultant (they love consultants) who will test and inspect the installation on their behalf (to what level is anyones guess). The LABC will then keep the results themselves and issue a building regulations completion certificate. The house holder will not a get a 7671 cert from anybody.
It seems to me that at some stage there are going to be liability issues if something goes wrong.
No more or less than if drains collapse, walls fall down, roofs blow off etc?
Talking of drains and part p....
On a serious note, I'm trying to look into how a group of citzens can campaign for a reform a law, but not being particularly knowledgeable about how politics works I'm a little confussed, other than trying to organise people written to their MPs en-masse I'm not sure what else is possible, and I'm sure that there is no shortage of people who are against PP
(not against de-regulation totally, just reform to something that is easy for DIYers and tradesmen to work to without unneccessary expenses and will lead to higher levels of workmanship generally - something like a series of pratical and theory on off tests pitched at different levels depending on what you want to be allowed to do)
On a serious note, I'm trying to look into how a group of citzens can campaign for a reform a law, but not being particularly knowledgeable about how politics works I'm a little confussed, other than trying to organise people written to their MPs en-masse I'm not sure what else is possible, and I'm sure that there is no shortage of people who are against PP
(not against de-regulation totally, just reform to something that is easy for DIYers and tradesmen to work to without unneccessary expenses and will lead to higher levels of workmanship generally - something like a series of pratical and theory on off tests pitched at different levels depending on what you want to be allowed to do)
ban-all-sheds said:
If the LABC adopt the same design criteria, (for a roof they want to see all structural calcs) then there should be a problem.
Having never done a notification for self install electrical works I don't know what the design criteria is but I would have thought it would need to be quite comprehensive.
Adam_151 said:
The phrase 'hiding to nothing' springs readily to mind, Adam. Firstly, you will find that most of those electricians who object are just ignoring the whole thing, while the rest are busy just moaning to each other about how unfair it is. Secondly, you will get nowhere with householders - the majority could not care less. And thirdly, your time would be far better spent in tracking down an apprenticeship.
Lol Ding, guess you are right, its just I get a bit peed off with the government.... the kneejerk after dunblane, part p, fensa, fox hunting ban, the iraq war lies, etc, ad nausem
And as requards to the apprenticeship, there are a few companies I'm still chasing up, but after that thread over at screwfix going to college for my 2330, then following it up with 2381 and 2391 does seem somewhat more hopeful, I've just posted my app form off to sheffield college, they do the 2330 as a 1 year course 4 days a week, so I'm going to see if I can get on that, and try and get some onside experience in on the 5th day and w/ends
And as requards to the apprenticeship, there are a few companies I'm still chasing up, but after that thread over at screwfix going to college for my 2330, then following it up with 2381 and 2391 does seem somewhat more hopeful, I've just posted my app form off to sheffield college, they do the 2330 as a 1 year course 4 days a week, so I'm going to see if I can get on that, and try and get some onside experience in on the 5th day and w/ends
Also, I think you'll find that a lot of objectors don't object to Part P, per se - they object to the way the self-certification schemes are operated and priced.
If the Building Regulations remained unchanged, but membership for the schemes was traditional C&G time-served route + JIB card and a lower cost of registration, then how many electricians would be moaning? The problem is there are only 60,000 electrical businesses in the UK, and so there's not much money to be had from them. However, make it easy for kitchen fitters/bathroom fitters/plumbers/landscape gardeners/handymen etc to join and they've got a nice little earner....
If the Building Regulations remained unchanged, but membership for the schemes was traditional C&G time-served route + JIB card and a lower cost of registration, then how many electricians would be moaning? The problem is there are only 60,000 electrical businesses in the UK, and so there's not much money to be had from them. However, make it easy for kitchen fitters/bathroom fitters/plumbers/landscape gardeners/handymen etc to join and they've got a nice little earner....
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