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SALL2009

Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 630 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Thanked: 2 times
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:42 pm |
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Basically as we were digging the foundations builders have found a well on the edge of the trench. Building regs inspector has asked for updated plans sent to them to be approved. The plan needs to incorporate what we plan on doing to avoid disturbing the well.
The suggestions he has given are, either filling it in or using lintels. I am seeing my architect tomorrow and I will get the plans updated and sent for re-approval. I was just wondering if anyone here has come across a situation where you had to avoid putting any load on a well or anything similarly sensitive.
The well is towards the end (of the side wall/trench) of the new extension. It has been suggested that we extend the trench a further 2 feet or so and run a lintel from there to avoid any load being on the well (or location close to it).
Would there be a recommended clearance required from the well.
Is there a recommended span of the lintel for such a situation?
Any possible suggestions of options would be very helpful. I don’t think filling is an option as the well is quite big. |
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^woody^

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 12230 Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom Thanked: 1123 times
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:25 pm |
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Yes you either fill it or bridge it
But in bridging it, you still need to be sure that loads are dealt with, and will not cause the well to collapse inwards further down
It may be an engineer that you need rather than an architect, if building control are not happy with any suggestions or guesses |
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SALL2009

Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 630 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Thanked: 2 times
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:40 pm |
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Spoke to the architect today and it seems bridging might not be an option as 45 degree foundation rule would mean that the pad stones would need to be close to the depth of the well (Which is DEEP).
So I am now looking at pile foundations or filling the well in.
Can someone help me with calculation of how much hardcore would be needed to fill the well in?
The diameter of the well is roughly 2 meters and 6 meters deep.
According to my calcs this comes out to be 19 cubic meters.
If this is correct, can any one tell me how many tonnes of hardcore would be needed to fill 19 cubic meters? |
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^woody^

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Posts: 12230 Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom Thanked: 1123 times
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:41 pm |
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Confirm with your BCO or engineer if H/c is acceptable - it will compact over time, and can't normally just be tipped in. It may be a case of filling and bridging
A tonne is about 0.8m3, but you need to allow for compaction too, so perhaps someone else can work that out |
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Nige F

Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 15485 Location: United Kingdom Thanked: 718 times
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:38 am |
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| ^woody^ wrote: | | A tonne is about 0.8m3, but you need to allow for compaction too, so perhaps someone else can work that out | Pi x R.squared x H  |
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SALL2009

Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 630 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Thanked: 2 times
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:27 am |
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Woody, You said filling and then maybe bridging also. But the pad stones of the bridge wouldn't need to be at the original depth of the well right? Otherwise, what would be the point in filling it in?
I am also looking at getting pile foundations. |
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Static

Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 1943 Location: Sussex, United Kingdom Thanked: 155 times
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:36 am |
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| SALL2009 wrote: | | Spoke to the architect today and it seems bridging might not be an option as 45 degree foundation rule would mean that the pad stones would need to be close to the depth of the well (Which is DEEP). |
RRRiiightt.. What about capping the well? May be time to take the calculator off the architect and give it to someone else.. as suggested above |
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SALL2009

Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 630 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Thanked: 2 times
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:49 am |
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| Static wrote: | | SALL2009 wrote: | | Spoke to the architect today and it seems bridging might not be an option as 45 degree foundation rule would mean that the pad stones would need to be close to the depth of the well (Which is DEEP). |
RRRiiightt.. What about capping the well? May be time to take the calculator off the architect and give it to someone else.. as suggested above |
The well is already capped on top (with a brick cap and then few feet of soil to ground level). We only found out about its existence once we started digging. We have lived here 15 years and the ground has never shown any signs of sinking.
But as the well is still intact below the cap, building control inspector said that the pad stones of the bridge need to comply with 45 degree foundation rule.
Could a structural engineer come up with another solution?
The whole project is 7 feet by 10 feet and single story. |
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Static

Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 1943 Location: Sussex, United Kingdom Thanked: 155 times
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:54 am |
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Yes, building control are more than happy when an SE takes liability for design.. but would have thought a reinforced concrete cap on top would be a possible economic solution.. |
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SALL2009

Joined: 15 May 2009 Posts: 630 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Thanked: 2 times
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:03 am |
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Thanks. Will speak to a SE and see what he says. |
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inspectornumberone

Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 5 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:21 pm |
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easiest is to fill it with lean mix. no compaction needed. i bet you would love to go down the 6m and start compacting the hardcore in 150mm layers! £1.9k to the ready mix company would be cheaper than piles! engineer could design a heavy raft also. what did your engineer say anyway? |
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sjt73

Joined: 17 Apr 2012 Posts: 1 Location: Northamptonshire, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:11 pm |
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The Environment Agency has guidelines for decommisioning old wells. You should ask for their advice first. If you contaminate the water table, you'll be up a creak.
You may also be required to inform the British Geological Survey once you've done it.
I worked with boreholes and wells for 12 years as part of my job. The last Victorian well I had filled in took about 40 tonne of aggregate. Good luck. |
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