hip to gable loft conversion
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Hip to gables are PD, there have been (at least 1 I recall) appeal case where a council did not allow it but were overuled on appeal. Appeal cases often set the precedent as in this situation.
That said I would advise you apply for a Certificate of Lawful Development prior to commencing any works on site.
http://planningjungle.com/wp-conten...-10-Worst-Permitted-Development-Loopholes.pdf page 19-21
A few threads on this in the Building Regs section.
Be careful if you have a corner plot though as maybe the end elevation may front the highway too in the eyes of the planners and you need to check you are below the 50m³.
That said I would advise you apply for a Certificate of Lawful Development prior to commencing any works on site.
http://planningjungle.com/wp-conten...-10-Worst-Permitted-Development-Loopholes.pdf page 19-21
A few threads on this in the Building Regs section.
Be careful if you have a corner plot though as maybe the end elevation may front the highway too in the eyes of the planners and you need to check you are below the 50m³.
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PD is Permitted development, that is what you can do without having to apply for Planning Permission http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/responsibilities/planningpermission/permitted
More specifically here http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/loftconversion/
Calculating the volume can be a little onerous if you are not good with maths but have a read here //www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1617697#1617697
You may find the following of use specifically Class B page 32 onwards http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/100806_PDforhouseholders_TechnicalGuidance.pdf
More specifically here http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/loftconversion/
Calculating the volume can be a little onerous if you are not good with maths but have a read here //www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1617697#1617697
You may find the following of use specifically Class B page 32 onwards http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/100806_PDforhouseholders_TechnicalGuidance.pdf
I emailed by architect and hes replied
"A LOFT CONVERSION DOES NOT NORMALLY REQUIRE PLANNING PERMISSION.THE FORMATION OF A GABLE IN LIEU OF THE HIP WOULD,I FEEL,REQUIRE PLANNING PERMISSION.SINCE YOUR PROPERTY IS IN A PROMINENT LOCATION WITH PROPERTIES AROUND OF SIMILAR DESIGN AND INDEED YOUR PROPERTY BEING A SEMI I FEEL THAT YOUR PLANNING APPLICATION WOULD PROBABLY BE REFUSED"
"A LOFT CONVERSION DOES NOT NORMALLY REQUIRE PLANNING PERMISSION.THE FORMATION OF A GABLE IN LIEU OF THE HIP WOULD,I FEEL,REQUIRE PLANNING PERMISSION.SINCE YOUR PROPERTY IS IN A PROMINENT LOCATION WITH PROPERTIES AROUND OF SIMILAR DESIGN AND INDEED YOUR PROPERTY BEING A SEMI I FEEL THAT YOUR PLANNING APPLICATION WOULD PROBABLY BE REFUSED"
Have you ignored everything I have said, tell your architect he needs to clue up on PD and show him this thread! 
Have you ignored everything I have said, tell your architect he needs to clue up on PD and show him this thread!
No no!
I would never ignore you!
Issue is I am now confused!
Why confused? We are right your architect is wrong! Simples
Hes replied
"
Further to our telephone conversation,provided the new volume extension is less than 50mcube a dormer extension to the side and rear would not require planning permission. A hip to gable dormer would not require planning permission but no windows are allowed unless they are obscure glazed or non opening above 1.7
I still feel that a conversion from a hip to a gable would require planning permission and would require far more structural work than we discussed on site"
Find another architect then, one who is prepared to educate himself. Developments are either Permitted Development or they are not, his 'feelings' are not helpful. He needs to understand the rules better.
I did get your message you will need change your settings to allow messages from non-friends in order to receive it though (I'm in Devon anyway). I will keep discussion about your specific query in the thread though, for the benefit of everyone.
The plane of the existing roof that would be used as a basis is the one the fronts the highway not the one that is on the side ie the existing hip end. Therefore as a the planned extension will only be extending the existing plane of the roof not in front of it, it is permitted.
There are many successful appeals eg http://www.permitteddevelopment.org/Appeal-Decision-29.php although finding them is not that easy though http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov...PNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=59802
The appeal decision is here http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.u...J=COO.2036.300.12.1299431&NAME=/Decision..pdf
The plane of the existing roof that would be used as a basis is the one the fronts the highway not the one that is on the side ie the existing hip end. Therefore as a the planned extension will only be extending the existing plane of the roof not in front of it, it is permitted.
There are many successful appeals eg http://www.permitteddevelopment.org/Appeal-Decision-29.php although finding them is not that easy though http://onlineplanning.greenwich.gov...PNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=59802
The appeal decision is here http://www.pcs.planningportal.gov.u...J=COO.2036.300.12.1299431&NAME=/Decision..pdf
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