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Arthur2shedsJackson

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:00 am Reply with quote

andyandy2 wrote:
. Apparently in Germany the wages are subsidised in quiet times by the government,


Isn't that against EU rules ??? icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:06 am Reply with quote

andyandy2 wrote:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:21 am Reply with quote

So what you saying JD, that Apparently means allegedly and the OP doesn't actually know ?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:39 pm Reply with quote

no, I mean that the use of the word "Apparently" as used here suggests to me that he thinks it to be true, but does not know.

It would be interesting to see the evidence, and compare that to any subsidies to UK firms employing people who've been "on the register" for a while. Apparently it happens here all the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:52 pm Reply with quote

It was an article I was reading not sure if it was in a local newspaper or the internet, but I can't find it now.
It is mentioned in this article towards the bottom of the page

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/mar/26/ellesmere-port-vauxhall-workers-fear-closure
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:29 pm Reply with quote

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Manufacturing has been going up year on year, but now only employs approx 350 thousand people.

When we are only employing 350k people in total, we are never, ever going to employ the 2.5 million people on the dole in manufacturing jobs, unless we get rid of the minimum wage, require that people move to where the jobs are, relax employment laws, and lower national insurance and corporation tax (remember that with national insurance your employer also has to pay a larger amount than you do in your wage).


We may not employ such large numbers again, At its peak Vauxhall in Ellesmere Port employed about !3,000 people (don't quote me on exact figures) In those days a lot of things were assembled on site, engines gearboxes etc. Nowadays cars are built using a lot of sub-assemblies some built in other parts of the Uk, some imported.
Vauxhall now employ about 2,100 people at Ellesmere port, There is a supplier park (industrial estate) where companies supply components etc built close to the site, other suppliers in Deeside and surrounding areas. There are also all the sub contractors, builders electricians maintenance etc etc etc ( I know an electrician whose company went to do a 6 week job there, all went well and they got ongoing work on site he worked there for over 20 years)
So although not employed directly by Vauxhall in producing cars many other jobs would be affected by its closure. (there is/was a local company who just fitted tyres to wheels and deliver them to the production line as required, would they technically be counted as manufactures)
Having a "big factory" in the local area is a big benefit to the local area, and local shops etc. I'm not sure what the wages / salary are like these days but they were always above average for the local area and a lot is spent in the local area, helping the local economy.
You also mention in one of your other posts about the UK manufacturing high tech goods with "educated" workforce, but the Uk is always going to have a workforce including lesser or uneducated people (not everyone can get a degree) isn't it better to keep these people employed, even if the government had to subsidise manufacturing, (they've been doing it with agriculture for years) surely better to subsidise their employment than pay them a larger sum in benefits when they are all out of work.
If we as a country are only going to find employment for the "better educated" aren't we going to achieve a situation where the "educated" are paying taxes to fund benefits for the "uneducated"
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:41 pm Reply with quote

Cameron clearly hates this country, as he has shown time and time again. He is a filthy communist who has a prayer mat pointing towards moscow. His plan is to destroy all of our industry, and completely disempower the public, so that everyone can become serfs working in the fields for wages of cabbages and potatoes, creating his communist paradise, while the upper crust continue to live in ivory towers..
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:59 pm Reply with quote

In the early 80s we decided to go with a service based economy rather than manufacturing, for a variety of reasons some political, some economic.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:20 pm Reply with quote

"We?"
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:56 am Reply with quote

The Margaret 'We' - similar to the 'Royal' We but with longer lasting effects.......
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:06 am Reply with quote

Micilin wrote:
In the early 80s we decided to go with a service based economy rather than manufacturing, for a variety of reasons some political, some economic.


Is it really working for the country and its population though.
In recent years we seem to of had a large increase in things like fast food takeaways, which may be partly to blame for the rise in obesity etc and other associated health problems. We have also seen a massive rise in the number of wine bars etc. and are suffering from problems with binge drinking and associated health problems and anti social behaviour.
These wine bars takeaways, and for that matter a lot of retail shops are staffed by young people who look totally disinterested in their work and would much rather be at home playing on there x-box they are not really putting their recently achieved degree to good use are they.

In my opinion the whole "work ethic" has gone way off track
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:23 pm Reply with quote

I agree with you andy andy
(although I would say uninterested rather than disinterested icon_biggrin.gif )
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:19 pm Reply with quote

trollmaster2000 wrote:
Cameron clearly hates this country, as he has shown time and time again. He is a filthy communist who has a prayer mat pointing towards moscow. His plan is to destroy all of our industry, and completely disempower the public, so that everyone can become serfs working in the fields for wages of cabbages and potatoes, creating his communist paradise, while the upper crust continue to live in ivory towers..


There appears to be some contradiction in this statement.

That Cameron doesn't care about the working people of this country I would agree with, basically because he comes from silverspoon background.

But a Communist ???

Surely if he and his policies were communist he would want more manufacturing, to keep the wealth within this country and to ensure full employment.

I think you are confusing communist with capitalist icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:29 pm Reply with quote

You have to bear in mind that Trollmaster has an unfortunate mental illness, and make allowances.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:47 pm Reply with quote

Trollmaster2000 has (at times) icon_wink.gif some very valid points but puts it across in a take it or leave it but if you leave it so what way?
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