Bullfight called Off

[Big Tone]

The only differences Halal meat is slaughtered while a prayer is whispered and it is done by a Muslim.

Prayer is "only" words. Whispered is quiet words. Good so far?

Racism is "only" words. Are they okay, (by your same token), if whispered?

Before you answer, consider that some people may find words of prayer just as obnoxious as you find words of racism, and it's arguable which has caused more bloodshed, abuse and ignorance (I know - wrong thread).

Oh no, what have I said or started. Put your seat belt on guys and get ready for 20 pages.... And he said he's got time on his hands now! $h1t!!!

 

[Whitespirit66]

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Coathanger's made his first ever post that makes any sense.


So, that's two barbaric, backward, sadistic forms of animal cruelty that need to be stamped out. Bull fighting and halal slaughter methods.

Surely it would be hypocritical to condemn one without the other?

The majority of animals slaughtered in abattoirs in the UK are done by the vey same method, irrespective of it being halal or not.
The only differences are that Halal meat is slaughtered while a prayer is whispered and it is done by a Muslim.

Are you trying to suggest that it's somehow more cruel to say a prayer, than not to, while an animal is slaughtered?

You stretch to incredulity sometimes, sorry, I'll change that, all the time!

Obviously, the world is still waiting for your first sensible comment.

I think you need to check your facts on halal.

FACT. Not all animals killed in The Uk by this method are stunned.

FACT. Whilst European law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter, there is an exemption in place in The UK for halal. (Aren't there always accommodations made for their backward ways? )

FACT. The RSPCA is worried about halal. This on it's own is enough for me.

As usual, it is you that is stretching 'credulity' and being very economical with the truth. This fits your purposes and is wholly hypocritical for you to condemn one form of animal cruelty, but cover up and excuse another.

I am entirely upfront about my views, but it is difficult to be reasonable with someone like you who uses weasel words, double standards, and rather appropriately for this thread, a large dose of bull.

 

[Whitespirit66]

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Coathanger's made his first ever post that makes any sense.


So, that's two barbaric, backward, sadistic forms of animal cruelty that need to be stamped out. Bull fighting and halal slaughter methods.

Surely it would be hypocritical to condemn one without the other?

Do you know

1)how long the abattoir slaughter process takes

2) how many wounds are inflicted in the abattoir slaughter process

And if so ,do these have any bearing on the relative cruelty of abattoir and ring?

Try asking the unfortunate beasts concerned. Whether it be a bull or a sheep or a chicken - wouldn't you say that they'd all be a lot happier to be stunned before their ordeals?

 

[Big Tone]

Makes me want to go back to vegetarianism The equivalent of 'voting with your feet'.

 

[JBR]

FACT. Whilst European law requires animals to be stunned before slaughter, there is an exemption in place in The UK for halal. (Aren't there always accommodations made for their backward ways? )

That really takes the biscuit, doesn't it. The UK bends over backwards to accommodate EU diktats whilst the rest of the EU ignore what they don't agree with.
Yet where a certain 'peaceful religion' is concerned, the opposite appears to be the case.

Sharia Law next, I reckon.

 

[trent78]

Honestly, this makes me more happy than it probably should. I really do not see how it is a ‘sport’ or something to be proud of if you are able to sever the neck muscles before a fight so the bull cannot even properly gore you even if it wanted to do so.

 

[Big Tone]

That's because we are a so-called Christian country and believe in turning the other cheek.

What it shows, or proves, is if you go by the rules, (which other countries flout!), and "turn the other cheek" you will be slapped,,,, and slapped and slapped and slapped, and buggered and shafted and slapped some more.

I hate my stiff upper lip. I'd rather have a stiff lower nob and shaft the buggers who take us for complete and utter mugs.

Honestly, this makes me more happy than it probably should. I really do not see how it is a ‘sport’ or something to be proud of if you are able to sever the neck muscles before a fight so the bull cannot even properly gore you even if it wanted to do so.

I was going to thank you Trent but I don't understand/get why "more happy"?

 

[Micilin]

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Coathanger's made his first ever post that makes any sense.


So, that's two barbaric, backward, sadistic forms of animal cruelty that need to be stamped out. Bull fighting and halal slaughter methods.

Surely it would be hypocritical to condemn one without the other?

Do you know

1)how long the abattoir slaughter process takes

2) how many wounds are inflicted in the abattoir slaughter process

And if so ,do these have any bearing on the relative cruelty of abattoir and ring?

Try asking the unfortunate beasts concerned. Whether it be a bull or a sheep or a chicken - wouldn't you say that they'd all be a lot happier to be stunned before their ordeals?

I'll answer your question -Yes.

Can you answer mine?

 

[Micilin]

The only differences Halal meat is slaughtered while a prayer is whispered and it is done by a Muslim.

Prayer is "only" words. Whispered is quiet words. Good so far?

Racism is "only" words. Are they okay, (by your same token), if whispered?

Before you answer, consider that some people may find words of prayer just as obnoxious as you find words of racism, and it's arguable which has caused more bloodshed, abuse and ignorance (I know - wrong thread).

Oh no, what have I said or started. Put your seat belt on guys and get ready for 20 pages.... And he said he's got time on his hands now! $h1t!!!

Tone, are you really comparing words not heard by animals ,that don't understand them, to racism?

 

[Whitespirit66]

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Coathanger's made his first ever post that makes any sense.


So, that's two barbaric, backward, sadistic forms of animal cruelty that need to be stamped out. Bull fighting and halal slaughter methods.

Surely it would be hypocritical to condemn one without the other?

Do you know

1)how long the abattoir slaughter process takes

2) how many wounds are inflicted in the abattoir slaughter process

And if so ,do these have any bearing on the relative cruelty of abattoir and ring?

Try asking the unfortunate beasts concerned. Whether it be a bull or a sheep or a chicken - wouldn't you say that they'd all be a lot happier to be stunned before their ordeals?

I'll answer your question -Yes.

Can you answer mine?

Your questions are vague. Are you referring to halal or the more humane abattoir process that was the norm until recent times?

Not really understanding the relevance either.

 

[Big Tone]

Tone, are you really comparing words not heard by animals ,that don't understand them, to racism?

Hec no! I was trying to say that if RH puts so much offence on 'a word' or not which is so offensive why is a different word 'prayer' "only a difference" ? Was I vague

I hear, have heard, the word "God" more times than I have had hot dinners, nothing like the same with racist words.

But hearing the word "God" gets on my tits more, especially in recent times, than I ever here a racist term. I equate it to 'in the name of god' which = anything goes.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Apropos another thread:

Sharia Law next, I reckon.

Do you think that less likely with FPTP or PR?

 

[JBR]

Apropos another thread:

Sharia Law next, I reckon.

Do you think that less likely with FPTP or PR?

I cannot say. It depends on how the electorate votes - under either system.

I think we all know that there is a distinct possibility of our adopting, or having forced upon us, sharia law at some time in the not too distant future. There will come a time when we shall be unable to do anything about it, assuming that the present situation of appeasement continues.

 

[RogueHanger]

Prayer is "only" words. Whispered is quiet words. Good so far?

Racism is "only" words. Are they okay, (by your same token), if whispered?

Micilin has already answered this, i think I would agree. there is no comparison between words whispered to an animal, (one might even say that it was a soothing effect) and insults, based on ignorance, used against people for the gratification of the perpetrator.

Before you answer, consider that some people may find words of prayer just as obnoxious as you find words of racism, and it's arguable which has caused more bloodshed, abuse and ignorance (I know - wrong thread).

Quite agree, BT (Blimey is that the second time in as many days?)
Some may find prayer offensive, but (a) prayers are usually reserved for places of worship, (b) there isn't usually any malintent contained in the prayers, (c) the prayers are rarely used to foster malintent, and (d) we grew up with prayer, at school, etc.
I also agree that religion may have caused more bloodshed down through history than any other influence, although politics, resources and even personal insult has caused its fair share.
But it is most religions and superstition that causes bloodshed. It's not the preserve of any one religion.

 

[Micilin]

Do you know

1)how long the abattoir slaughter process takes

2) how many wounds are inflicted in the abattoir slaughter process

And if so ,do these have any bearing on the relative cruelty of abattoir and ring?

Try asking the unfortunate beasts concerned. Whether it be a bull or a sheep or a chicken - wouldn't you say that they'd all be a lot happier to be stunned before their ordeals?

I'll answer your question -Yes.

Can you answer mine?

Your questions are vague. Are you referring to halal or the more humane abattoir process that was the norm until recent times?

Not really understanding the relevance either.

Relevance ? You introduced relative cruelty of Halal slaughter and bullfighting, so it is directly relevant to your post.

Vague? Are you perhaps able to compare all three then?

Bullfight, Halal Abbatoir, Your traditional abattoir

1. Time it takes to kill the animal.
2. Number of wounds used.

You must know these things for each in order to be so assured in your ranking in terms of cruelty.