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So the EU has had its way with vacuum cleaners now having to be under 1600w meaning hoovering will now take us all longer and we'll use just as much energy as before. . .

Now they have set their sights on hairdryers. There's no figures available yet but this again means drying hair will just take longer. Surely someone at the EU that makes these decisions has someone advising them who knows that to dry a certain volume of hair will take a certain number of watt hours thus reducing power means increasing time. . .

Seriously ill thought out policies.
 
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The EU should stop worrying about it and concentrate on THEIR own energy waste.

Just think how much carbon is produced when the MEPs do their ridiculous monthly shuttle to Strasbourg in France :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Yes I read this account and it would seem it's going OTT.

Certainly no point in having an electric kettle under 13A with exception of for caravan use as whole idea is that it's faster than using a hot plate. As it is I can actually boil water faster on my 3.75kW induction hob than I can with the kettle but the kettle is safer than a pan and easier to pour.

I can see the point is saying a device has to meet some performance criteria so for example limit vacuum cleaner to 1600 W per 100 mm sweep size but clearly to stop the use of wider vacuums is clearly daft.

But as I have said before cleaners don't use vacuum to clean they use air velocity so banning something which does not exist is clearly pointless.

Does that mean all the robot cleaners being introduced in hospitals to stop spread of disease are now banned?

Years ago I had a hair drier which looked more like a fan heater with a pipe taking hot air to where required. Clearly this method in a hair dressers could be plumbed in similar as you can get vacuum cleaners plumbed in. It would then clearly be per outlet limit.

The limit for stand by has been fixed at one watt and nearly every TV, Video recorder, Digi-box, has reduced the stand-by to one watt except for the Sky box. How they get around the rules I don't know but they do.

We have been told all fridges and freezers must be A+ or better now. Try finding any absorption fridge or peltier fridge which will meet the A+ rating. My Woolworths 4 litre fridge uses as much power as my 391 litre fridge/freezer and you can still buy the same one from Argos. A 35 litre peltier effect on manufactures data used 3285 kWh/annum. A absorption fridge 60 litre, and manufacturers data says 110 watt and 1.9 kWh per day which relates to a massive 693 kWh/annum designed for a caravan triple fuel gas, 12vdc or 230vac but all the papers say unless A+ energy rating these are banned but they are still freely available.

If the ban was enforced then caravans will need generators running all the time and not sure how compressor fridges will work while being towed.

Lawn mowers used on school playing fields are normally around the 30kW with massive cut width so with this cut width would have to come into the equation and also speed. I would say they do around 10 mph when cutting clearly can't be pedestrian controlled.

Which produces the most CO2 a cow or a lawn mower?
 
Some good points Ericmark. I'm guessing the sky box as it is programed by its user to record at times when it is otherwise on standby is allowed to therefore consume more energy whilst on standby just as a vcr used to. Same with the virgin media box. Though I have noticed ours recently takes longer to start up after an upgrade which I'm guessing completely shuts it down while on standby unless recording.
 
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Some good points Ericmark. I'm guessing the sky box as it is programed by its user to record at times when it is otherwise on standby is allowed to therefore consume more energy whilst on standby just as a vcr used to. Same with the virgin media box. Though I have noticed ours recently takes longer to start up after an upgrade which I'm guessing completely shuts it down while on standby unless recording.
That all sounds very reasonable. For true 'standby', there is presumably no need for more power than is required to enable it to receive a signal from a remote (or a switch/button/whatever) and switch the device on when required - so 1W ought to be more than enough. However, the moment one needs the device to be doing things (like keeping track of programming instructions and time) during 'standby', things are rather different - so maybe that doesn't count as 'standby' in terms of the rules (i.e. the 1W rule). The rules presumably have to accept that there are some items of equipment which necessarily must always be at least partially 'on', 24/7, in which case the concept of a total 'standby' state (to which the rules apply) probable does not exist.

Kind Regards, John
 
Whilst these imposed limits do not save any electricity as far as kettles etc. are concerned, it has been pointed out that it would reduce the sudden surge in demand when, for example, everyone gets up to make tea and vacuum when Eastenders starts.

Also, 1200W (with half setting) is good enough for Henrys so that must be all that is required.
 
Does anyone know if this law will affect commercial vacuum cleaners?
 
Whilst these imposed limits do not save any electricity as far as kettles etc. are concerned, it has been pointed out that it would reduce the sudden surge in demand when, for example, everyone gets up to make tea and vacuum when Eastenders starts.
That's an interesting and valid point, which hadn't occurred to me - but I wonder whether it featured highly (if at all) in the decision to impose these limits - which appear to be primarily about energy saving and the corresponding 'ecological' consequences.

Kind Regards, John
 
Got a new dishwasher recently - it has an "Eco" programme, which (I'm assuming here) is the one which is used to get it's official A+whatever rating.

It's useless, we never use it - always go for one of the other programmes which actually work.
 
What if we left the EU? We could afford solar panels for every house in the land. Probably. That would save everyone real money.
 
If you read the actual paper released by the EU (there is a link on the BBC), there is quite a lot of thought going into each decision. The 30 product groups are assessed for more than just power but also material use. It's quite interesting. The basis of the "ban" is to stop production of out of date technology when better products are widely available.

The most powerful Dyson uses just 1.4kW so there is no need for a vacuum greater than 1.6kW.

Another example included in their review is toasters. If all toasters had a one slice setting you would save half the energy whenever someone toasted an odd slice.

I can't see how this is a bad thing. It removes poor technology and forces wider adoption of useful technology. Instead of having to buy an ugly toaster just to get the 1 slice feature - all toasters would have it.


Edit : Link : http://www.ecodesign-wp3.eu/sites/default/files/Ecodesign WP3_Draft_Task_3_report_11072014.pdf
 
...It's quite interesting. The basis of the "ban" is to stop production of out of date technology when better products are widely available. ... I can't see how this is a bad thing. It removes poor technology and forces wider adoption of useful technology. Instead of having to buy an ugly toaster just to get the 1 slice feature - all toasters would have it.
That's an interesting viewpoint. I can certainly understand the wisdom of strongly encouraging (maybe even with taxation incentives/disincentives or whatever) the cessation of production of "out-of-date technology", the "wider adoption of useful technology" and extensive education/promotion of the benefits of the latter - but whether it is appropriate to (to use your word) "force" people to use the superior technology (rather than make that technology available to them, and allow them to make an informed choice) is perhaps more debatable.

Kind Regards, John
 
The informed choice with these devices has existed for years, in the case of some of these devices they reference more efficient designs from the 80s. After a while you have to stop the production of the cheap to build but overall more expensive old stuff. This stops the retailers flogging cheap and nasty devices which break easily and/or cost more to run.

...It's quite interesting. The basis of the "ban" is to stop production of out of date technology when better products are widely available. ... I can't see how this is a bad thing. It removes poor technology and forces wider adoption of useful technology. Instead of having to buy an ugly toaster just to get the 1 slice feature - all toasters would have it.
That's an interesting viewpoint. I can certainly understand the wisdom of strongly encouraging (maybe even with taxation incentives/disincentives or whatever) the cessation of production of "out-of-date technology", the "wider adoption of useful technology" and extensive education/promotion of the benefits of the latter - but whether it is appropriate to (to use your word) "force" people to use the superior technology (rather than make that technology available to them, and allow them to make an informed choice) is perhaps more debatable.

Kind Regards, John
 
The informed choice with these devices has existed for years, in the case of some of these devices they reference more efficient designs from the 80s. After a while you have to stop the production of the cheap to build but overall more expensive old stuff. This stops the retailers flogging cheap and nasty devices which break easily and/or cost more to run.
IMO, it really all depends on the extent to which one believes that Big Brother is the lesser of evils.

Kind Regards, John
 
Got a new dishwasher recently - it has an "Eco" programme, which (I'm assuming here) is the one which is used to get it's official A+whatever rating.

It's useless, we never use it - always go for one of the other programmes which actually work.

My old dishwasher with Eco, just never used heat on final cycle
 

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