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The EU is on the edge. Hopefully Brexit' (if executed correctly) will tip the dictatorial mess over it!
 
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Its well informed and correct.

What do you mean? We aren't going to get a tough deal, we're going to get a great deal, with access to the Single Market and membership of the Free Trade Area, and not have to pay anything, or conform to any regulations.

Remember?

Boris Johnson, prime minister
Johnson told the Treasury select committee in March 2016: “Our relationship with the EU is already very well developed. It doesn’t seem to me to be very hard … to do a free trade deal very rapidly indeed.”

Speaking at a Vote Leave event in March 2016, Johnson said: “I put it to you, all those who say that there would be barriers to trade with Europe if we were to do a Brexit, do you seriously believe that they would put up tariffs against UK produce of any kind, when they know how much they want to sell us their cake, their champagne, their cheese from France? It is totally and utterly absurd.”

In a Telegraph column published three days after the referendum result, Johnson said: “[We] who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming.”

He sought to reassure remain voters that the UK would still have access to the single market: “EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down,” he said. “The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation.”

Johnson, then foreign secretary, told the House of Commons in July 2017: “There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.”


Michael Gove
In April 2016, Michael Gove said the UK would have the best of both worlds. “Outside the EU, we would still benefit from the free trade zone which stretches from Iceland to the Russian border,” he said. “But we wouldn’t have all the EU regulations which cost our economy £600m every week.”

Dominic Raab
Two months before the June 2016 referendum vote, Raab told Andrew Neil on BBC Sunday Politics: “We’re very well placed, and mutual self-interest suggests we’d cut a very good deal and it’s certainly not in the European’s interests to erect trade barriers.”

During an appearance on the BBC’s Daily Politics in April 2016, Raab added: “The idea that Britain would be apocalyptically off the cliff edge if we left the EU is silly.”

However, post-referendum, Raab appeared to have changed his tune, writing for Brexit Central in October 2016: “Ideally, we continue trading without tariffs or other barriers. In the worst-case scenario, we would face the EU’s external tariff, which averages 3.6%, rising to 10% on cars and 32% on wine.” Later in the piece, he adds: “Even on the worst case scenario, Britain will thrive outside the EU.”

In March 2017, Raab wrote in the Telegraph: “If there’s no deal within two years, it won’t be for lack of an ambitious UK offer. It would represent the triumph of the EU’s rather inward-looking politics over the reality of the outside world. That would be a shame, but only serve to vindicate Britain’s decision to leave.”

Invited to provide evidence for Raab’s comments to the BBC, a Cabinet Office spokeswoman said: “This is not for the civil service to answer.”

Matthew Elliot, former chief executive of Vote Leave
Responding to the Office for National Statistics’ trade figures in March 2016, Matthew Elliott, the chief executive of Vote Leave, said: “It’s clear the trade deck is stacked in the UK’s favour. EU trade is shrinking yet we are held back from striking deals with emerging markets as we’ve given up control to Brussels. The real question should be why our EU neighbours wouldn’t be clambering over themselves to secure a free trade deal with their biggest market.”

And in response to a report by The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) report on the economic consequences of Brexit in April 2016, Vote Leave issued a press release with an accompanying note criticising the “flawed assumption” that the UK would not do a free trade deal with the EU after Brexit.

It read: “The OECD states that: ‘trade with the EU and other countries would initially revert to a WTO MFN-basis’. This is a highly flawed assumption that not even the IN campaign seriously contemplates as a realistic possibility. Leading pro-EU campaigners have admitted the UK will strike a free trade agreement if we Vote Leave.”


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eave-leaders-really-said-about-no-deal-brexit

I don't know why all you Brexers are still whining.
 
Only if you read the Wail.(y)

I've read that the EU negotiators are chuckling at Bozzas demands for a 'Canada' or an 'Australian' style agreement. "why stoop so low" I hear them snigger.
When the next country votes to leave the EU in the not too distant future, they’ll be looking to get a British style agreement. Just watch.
 
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What do you mean? We aren't going to get a tough deal, we're going to get a great deal, with access to the Single Market and membership of the Free Trade Area, and not have to pay anything, or conform to any regulations.

Remember?

Boris Johnson, prime minister
Johnson told the Treasury select committee in March 2016: “Our relationship with the EU is already very well developed. It doesn’t seem to me to be very hard … to do a free trade deal very rapidly indeed.”

Speaking at a Vote Leave event in March 2016, Johnson said: “I put it to you, all those who say that there would be barriers to trade with Europe if we were to do a Brexit, do you seriously believe that they would put up tariffs against UK produce of any kind, when they know how much they want to sell us their cake, their champagne, their cheese from France? It is totally and utterly absurd.”

In a Telegraph column published three days after the referendum result, Johnson said: “[We] who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming.”

He sought to reassure remain voters that the UK would still have access to the single market: “EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down,” he said. “The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation.”

Johnson, then foreign secretary, told the House of Commons in July 2017: “There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal.”


Michael Gove
In April 2016, Michael Gove said the UK would have the best of both worlds. “Outside the EU, we would still benefit from the free trade zone which stretches from Iceland to the Russian border,” he said. “But we wouldn’t have all the EU regulations which cost our economy £600m every week.”

Dominic Raab
Two months before the June 2016 referendum vote, Raab told Andrew Neil on BBC Sunday Politics: “We’re very well placed, and mutual self-interest suggests we’d cut a very good deal and it’s certainly not in the European’s interests to erect trade barriers.”

During an appearance on the BBC’s Daily Politics in April 2016, Raab added: “The idea that Britain would be apocalyptically off the cliff edge if we left the EU is silly.”

However, post-referendum, Raab appeared to have changed his tune, writing for Brexit Central in October 2016: “Ideally, we continue trading without tariffs or other barriers. In the worst-case scenario, we would face the EU’s external tariff, which averages 3.6%, rising to 10% on cars and 32% on wine.” Later in the piece, he adds: “Even on the worst case scenario, Britain will thrive outside the EU.”

In March 2017, Raab wrote in the Telegraph: “If there’s no deal within two years, it won’t be for lack of an ambitious UK offer. It would represent the triumph of the EU’s rather inward-looking politics over the reality of the outside world. That would be a shame, but only serve to vindicate Britain’s decision to leave.”

Invited to provide evidence for Raab’s comments to the BBC, a Cabinet Office spokeswoman said: “This is not for the civil service to answer.”

Matthew Elliot, former chief executive of Vote Leave
Responding to the Office for National Statistics’ trade figures in March 2016, Matthew Elliott, the chief executive of Vote Leave, said: “It’s clear the trade deck is stacked in the UK’s favour. EU trade is shrinking yet we are held back from striking deals with emerging markets as we’ve given up control to Brussels. The real question should be why our EU neighbours wouldn’t be clambering over themselves to secure a free trade deal with their biggest market.”

And in response to a report by The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) report on the economic consequences of Brexit in April 2016, Vote Leave issued a press release with an accompanying note criticising the “flawed assumption” that the UK would not do a free trade deal with the EU after Brexit.

It read: “The OECD states that: ‘trade with the EU and other countries would initially revert to a WTO MFN-basis’. This is a highly flawed assumption that not even the IN campaign seriously contemplates as a realistic possibility. Leading pro-EU campaigners have admitted the UK will strike a free trade agreement if we Vote Leave.”


https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eave-leaders-really-said-about-no-deal-brexit

I don't know why all you Brexers are still whining.


And...???
 
The EU is on the edge. Hopefully Brexit' (if executed correctly) will tip the dictatorial mess over it!

You are welcome to believe the EU is on the edge, however in the real world, the EU is Chinas and Americas biggest trade partner.
Also the Euro currency is bought by many countries as an asset.
 
Nothing frantic required, just a basic fact:

48% UKs exports go to EU
8% EU exports go to UK
You do the math
Is that chlorinated math you've imported there? :rolleyes:

Are you stating that the 48% the EU imports is very important for the EU citizens and their jobs and economy. Those services, those specialist machine parts, that unique design know how that the importers know they can't get elsewhere or at a cost to make their usage viable. Are those the exports you are referring to?

Economy and trade value (ie importance) between the UK and EU is not defined by UK exports if that is what you are alluding to, neither should you base your assertion on just two random statistics.

I know the maths, perhaps you may want to review the economic arrangements as a whole and see what is important to the EU.
 
Only if you read the Wail.(y)

I've read that the EU negotiators are chuckling at Bozzas demands for a 'Canada' or an 'Australian' style agreement. "why stoop so low" I hear them snigger.
Take your blinkers off, and read and listen to the European news, the European trade press, the European diplomatic releases. Not the politically motivated stuff you would normally get your news from to support your own confirmation bias.
 
Take your blinkers off, and read and listen to the European news, the European trade press, the European diplomatic releases. Not the politically motivated stuff you would normally get your news from to support your own confirmation bias.
Says Woody, with confirmation bias.
 
Where do you get your information? Chalked on toilet walls?

"Support for EU membership above 80% in most member states amid Brexit mess"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eland-portugal-eurosceptic-poll-a8888126.html
Yeah, support may well be around those figures because of the bullish attitude of the EU but the fat lady hasn’t sung yet. Wait till she’s finished her song and we've left fully and then see what the percentage is.
To use a boxing analogy, everyone was frightened of Mike Tyson until he was beaten. He then went on to fight a succession of virtual nobodies and lost another 7 times. We are the thin edge of the wedge for the EU.
 
What is it with all these people who 'won' the referendum?

They seem to be moaning more now that it's happening than before when they thought it was going to be prevented.
 
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