Give one example of a vaccine that is recommended to be given IM and aspirated then, just one.
Evidence found - they've been doing the vaccine injections wrongly?
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That was one of his curves. LOL I will explain again. Something is happening in reality. That is compared with the curves. Reality matches or is close to one so it can be used to predict the future. As more info comes in they can be refined further. May stood up in the house and said some of these number are extremely large - well some of them will be and some wont be.
The same group have also pointed out that if lockdown had occurred x earlier x less people would have died. They can also now probably relate population recovery times based on peak infection levels reached. Also have some idea of what measures taken to limit infections actually achieve especially if info from other countries are included.
Don't use masks early on. Probably a political decision based on availability also probably down to the first time this sort of thing has been experienced here. That isn't the case everywhere.
Early comments about using herd immunity. An interesting one. The medics might get a slap for that but why did Whitty mention it?
There is a problem now. Loads of vaccinated people. Things have changed so old factors don't really apply any more. No one can be sure of the outcome so virology types say do more now and Boris says no concentrate on more vaccination. There may still be curves around but the factors of interest need to be established again. There is a lot of variation in how omicron works out on people but that will become clearer with time. Delta is still on the go anyway.
Personally I suspect we are entering what I'll call a covid cull phase. Those that die or finish up in hospital will and main interest is rates. It's imponderable with virus and treatment changes.
Some news from China. They jump on it rapidly and test everybody in the area but they can do that sort of thing. Some have returned to masks when out of a person's living accommodation. The UK has been on the weak side in that area.
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11 pages in, and we all know the answer to "Evidence found - they've been doing the vaccine injections wrongly?" is just No.
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One in Denmark, not manufacturer recommended though. I was hoping for UK, but I suppose that counts
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You wouldn't expect more or the question wouldn't exist. if you direct yourself to the pre-covid lipid nanoparticle mRNA vaccines, ....
there aren't any such vaccines, these are the first.
there aren't any such vaccines, these are the first.
Yet they have been used to look at various possibilities. Odd that isn't it. For a while actually.
.... The link you gave was for an adenovirus based vaccine. No mRNA at all. So I don't get your point.
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Because You already have
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/brea...rns-against-accidental-vaccination-into-veins
I find it hard to believe you're really as dense as you make yourself out to be. Read
https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/...njections-wrongly.583421/page-10#post-5125753
It's like trying to communicate with a beligerent dumb 6 year old.
They're both new, they're both using a spike docking protein on a new receptor and both giving similar problems.
None of that is new to you.
DNA vaccines haven't been used long if you exclude plasmid and self replicating types, and not in near the numbers covid vaccines are.
Your "find another" question is ridiculous.
Just finding SOME similarity with a predecessor doesn't necessarily mean it's comparable.
There is a mechanism and a case to answer, it needs testing. You're trying to prove it can't happen IN THEORY by asking utterly unintelligent, ignorant, nit-picking questions which you could answer yourself if you weren't playing at being stupid.
No there isn't, there's a theory which seems to be very niche and generally not endorsed by the wider medical community.
It Is hard trying to be polite to you when you spend so much time spewing abuse.
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I didn't notice you start being polite.
Yes there's a mechanism shown in mammals. Sorry you don't understand - look it up.
There are sometimes bad reactions in humans and you won't accept that it might depend how quickly the antagonist medium is introduced to the site.
It has been demonstrated in animals but you seem determined to theorise that it must be impossible in humans, which is prima facie a lost cause.
Your arguments are utterly irrelevant, lack of any understanding or just plain nonsense and you can't be bothered to understand what might be going on.
I've tried to explain every time, quite patient for a long time, but I get a series of accusations from someone who who should know better.
Have to assume you're doing it on purpose - trolling.
You're abusing the forum.
Yes there's a mechanism shown in mammals. Sorry you don't understand - look it up.
There are sometimes bad reactions in humans and you won't accept that it might depend how quickly the antagonist medium is introduced to the site.
It has been demonstrated in animals but you seem determined to theorise that it must be impossible in humans, which is prima facie a lost cause.
Your arguments are utterly irrelevant, lack of any understanding or just plain nonsense and you can't be bothered to understand what might be going on.
I've tried to explain every time, quite patient for a long time, but I get a series of accusations from someone who who should know better.
Have to assume you're doing it on purpose - trolling.
You're abusing the forum.
So, to cut out the ad-homs and waffle.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927
By their own argument, even if the myocarditis is caused by IV vaccine injection the problem might not be solved by aspiration, because of the choice of the Deltoid muscle. They suggest the thigh might be better as the Deltoid has very fine blood vessels which won't allow blood to show up with Aspiration but could lead to accelerated transfer of the vaccine to the blood stream or lymphatic system. This is one of the obvious challenges with Mouse studies, they have no deltoids.
If you were more analytical and less pontificating it'd be easier to engage without being adversarial. As it is you keep making basic mistakes and that makes me distrust you as a source.
I've never denied there have been studies in Mice, nor that they are useful. I've even read the paper, it's here by the way.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927
By their own argument, even if the myocarditis is caused by IV vaccine injection the problem might not be solved by aspiration, because of the choice of the Deltoid muscle. They suggest the thigh might be better as the Deltoid has very fine blood vessels which won't allow blood to show up with Aspiration but could lead to accelerated transfer of the vaccine to the blood stream or lymphatic system. This is one of the obvious challenges with Mouse studies, they have no deltoids.
If you were more analytical and less pontificating it'd be easier to engage without being adversarial. As it is you keep making basic mistakes and that makes me distrust you as a source.
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So
effin
what?
You wouldn't wear a crash helmet because it MIGHT not save you a head injury? What sort of a xxxx would say that?
Every analysis you try is bogus - like whether one guy's papers were counted in accordance with your notion, which you used to criticise me for not knowing what a paper was. YOU know better than Researchgate? What sort of childishness is that? It's irrelevant anyway. Really shows your motives.
Every muscle has blood vessels supplying it. It doesn't matter what the muscle is, but some have more than others.
You want to look for a muscle with a smaller chance of getting the vaccine into blood?
That's like saying a car that doesn't have brakes could be tried on smaller roads. No, it needs brakes.
So, you don't know how muscles work. They get energy from ... oh yeah, blood. A 12 year old could work that out. Give us strength - there's another of your irrelevant ejaculations showing your ignorance and urge to post something even if it's crap.
Sure we can all miss something which is part of "discussion" but almost every single post you make is a "basic mistake", of knowledge, of attitude, of motive, of logic, of zero effort. Just junk. And you're doing it on purpose.
Troll.
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