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You've previously posted though, that the country has no money.
If we don't have money for essential or humanitarian spending, why should we find borrow some for vanities?

Also, as is the case with most UK capital "grand" projects, it is colossally overspent already, set to massively under-deliver; a vehicle to pour yet more public funds into chums' pockets.

The cost-benefit-analysis was, IIRC, fiddled, to make the project appear beneficial: something about business travellers stare out of the window for their usual journey (rather than work on their laptops), thus making the extra 15 minutes in the office a new gain, rather than just stealing that time from the slower journey.............

Finally, the environmental and social impact of Crystal Palace and St Pauls (your examples) is limited; HS2 has already seen thousands of homes compulsorily-purchased and razed, now for nothing, not to mention the woodlands and habitats that are now gone.




I attend regular meetings - with colleagues from all over the UK - in London already.
Why London?
Because it is already easy to get to, from anywhere.

All HS2 does is reinforces this - and further enables the concentration of wealth in the South-East - rather than making Liverpool to Leeds, or Newcastle to Manchester, easier and faster.

While "London" complains that it is overcrowded already, gridlocked..........so the "solution" is to grease even more people into there.......

The whole country gets saddled with more debt, for decades to come, to oil the path for London even more. With a few crumbs tossed to a very limited number of places, as a sop.

“levelling up” fantastic political slogan that defines precisely FA….but has been handy as a tool to bribe the voters in poor regions

the last decade has seen an ever increasing concentration of wealth to London and the home counties
 
The connection to the channel tunnel . . . . Duh.
the funny thing is the name HS2 has been around for years but it had never occurred to me to wonder what HS1 was - I don’t remember it being called that the time.

Im now wondering if world war 1 was called that until after WW2……
 
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Im now wondering if world war 1 was called that until after WW2……


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Me & SWMBO likes our road trips & booking cottages or B&B's around the country so's we can wander & explore.

We have a particular fondness for Edinburgh & especially the Tattoo, but driving / riding there is a pain unless we include it in a 3-4-5 day road trip. What we want is someway to get there & back preferably in one day but I s'pose 2 days will do. Now you'd think that this has 'let the train take the strain' written all over it & we did try it once. NEVER EVER AGAIN.
 
the funny thing is the name HS2 has been around for years but it had never occurred to me to wonder what HS1 was - I don’t remember it being called that the time.

Im now wondering if world war 1 was called that until after WW2……
Wasn't it the Great War?
 
Me & SWMBO likes our road trips & booking cottages or B&B's around the country so's we can wander & explore.

We have a particular fondness for Edinburgh & especially the Tattoo, but driving / riding there is a pain unless we include it in a 3-4-5 day road trip. What we want is someway to get there & back preferably in one day but I s'pose 2 days will do. Now you'd think that this has 'let the train take the strain' written all over it & we did try it once. NEVER EVER AGAIN.

I had reason to go to Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

Clearly quicker to fly (even accounting for drive to BHX, check-in etc)..............but also cheaper. Quite a bit cheaper.

When you factor in that "time is money", it was ridiculously cheap to fly, compared to take the train.
 
I had reason to go to Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

Clearly quicker to fly (even accounting for drive to BHX, check-in etc)..............but also cheaper. Quite a bit cheaper.

When you factor in that "time is money", it was ridiculously cheap to fly, compared to take the train.

I used to work for a well known Glasgow company, with an office her in Yorkshire. Often we would have specialists pop down here, they would always fly, because it was so much quicker, and cheaper.
 
I regularly drive past the scorched-earth-and-concrete outside of Lichfield.

If they pull the plug on the Northern section, that lot will be reclaimed by nature within five years.
Billions wasted.
Not that I didn't think the whole thing was a vanity project to start with.
A Cameron vanity project, what is it with certain politicians and the need to leave some lasting physical legacy. An upgraded Leeds to Manchester railway would be more help to the north

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A prominent Conservative donor has threatened to stop supporting the party if Rishi Sunak scraps the Birmingham to Manchester leg of HS2, as ministers consider pulling the plug on the multibillion-pound project.
said: “Generations of my family have been proud to support what was the party of business. We’ve given year in, year out for decades and been active in the party. But I’ve spoken to other donors, and several of them feel – possibly for the first time ever – recent events seriously call into question the ability to continue to support people who don’t do what they say they’d do.”
It follows a similar move by the billionaire Phones4U founder, John Caudwell, who said he would stop donating to the Conservatives after the “madness” of Sunak’s U-turn on climate goals.

A decision is expected to be taken by the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, and the chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, early next week with an announcement pencilled in for Friday.

feed your mind@the Grundiana
 
Sunak has his eyes set on US citizenship

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Lawyer / solicitor / barrister on R5L this morning, talking about the proposed cancellation of HS2 north of Brum.

She said that, although she is in Manchester (which is what, 80 miles north of Birmingham?), she has to travel down the previous day, to be sure of making a 1000 meeting.

Absolutely ridiculous; what must other countries think of such a farce?
 
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