Or blackmail.
2.5 mm Earth bond on msins water
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I cant disagree with that very easily.
At best not properly done.
At worst very naughty.
My suspicions are leaning towards the very naughty. What did the EIC state after he had done the consumer unit change and you received a certificate stating that it has been notified to LABC (There are 28 days allowed from fitting of the new consumer unit to LABC being notified, if he did this via a scheme he is registered with then they usually allow him around 21 days to notify this to the scheme and thereby allowing the scheme to have 7 days to forward it to LABC on his behalf).
I haven't got a EIC yet. Should I get a EIC as well as EICR if I am paying for EICR as well ?
Also what is average cost of consumer unit change. 10 way consisting of 8 fuses. 7 circuits so one spare with 2 blanks.
Fusebox rcbo unit .
Thanks
After a CU change in England or wales you are due an EIC and a part p compliance doc
As for a fail (unsatisfactory) you need to fix any issues to get a satisfactory on the EICR
It’s not unusual for the odd issue to be revealed by a cu change and the spark should have warned you about this
What did the quote /estimate say about issues?
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He never said anything about issues . Either did his quote. And after he fited it he said he does not say anything about issues or he may not get job. Then we found issues and then extra costs are going on.
Earth bonding upgrade to 10mm from mains water - £100
Then there was two neutrals out on two down stairs sockets so continuality not there.
Said got to get 2 x 20 amp rcbo and split the down ring to radial costing £70
Up and down lights had a bridge or a borrowed neutral so was tripping on separate circuits on new board. Got to put up and down lights on same circuit or more cost and ceiling damage after ceiling just been plastered.
Thing is it was a insurance quote dye to leak and the insurance paid then his extra costs went on and now I have to pay his extra costs where insurance would of paid.
Should I get just a eicr or both certificates ?
Wow.
How did he split a ring circuit into 2 radials without establishing what the issue was ?
once complete he owes you 3 documents, an EIC, an EICR and part p compliance
All my cu estimates include a caveat about finding unexpected issues - this is explained first. Never lost a job due to it, never been challenged about extra costs. Not yet not been paid in full for these jobs
Regarding the radials he took all down stairs ring sockets off. On two of the sockets the neutral was out and tapped. From someone else.
On testing this circuit there was no continuslity . The neutrals went back in and tripped the rcbo. So he said that his assumes someone had put previous a nail or something through the cable from them two sockets.
Said the only way is to run a cable but laminates down or split the circuits at Cu to radials .
Should I receive all this paperwork on day of completion or can it take a few days / weeks ?
I would withhold payment until you get the docs as per above
I paid for consumer unit. Owe for cooker install. Then the eicr and the extra earth bond and split radials
Do you think that sounds OK with splitting ring into radials ?
Yes, once he has done the work (Changing the consumer unit) he should issue you with an Electrical Installation Certificate.
Ideally immediately but in practice most would consider 7 days to be pretty immediate or some might sometimes say within 14 days.
Personally some might think within 28 days is OK but I think this might usually a bit too long - others might disagree though.
If he is in a Competent Person Scheme he should ensure that you get certification to show that your Local Authority Building Control has been notified (This is within 28 days maximum) .
If he does an Electrical Installation Condition Report again he should get that to you pretty quickly too, at whatever cost agreed and a copy should also be made available to the installation owner and the installation user if they are not the person ordering the work (you) - That does not mean that he can not charge a reasonable amount for such copies if he wants to.
I will comment that before making a consumer unit change or other works that may be dependant upon parts of the existing installation then a visual inspection then tests, including metered tests, should be made prior to such works, personally I would do a full EICR (it used to be called a Periodic Inspection Report) but some might think it would be appropriate to do just part of something like an EICR.
A cant imagine anyone just changing a consumer unit without any prior inspection and testing then just seeing what happens or doing an EICR after the event.
If I understand you properly, he reconnected the disconnected N conductors and the RCD tripped - that is no way to test for faults, it should be by metered tests.
Ideally, he should have replaced the suspect cable, however if you didn`t want damage to flooring etc I can understand that so reconfiguring as two radials might have been appropriate providing that by sufficient metered tests and inspection it is proved that this can be done satisfactorily and safely.
If I were you I would check to see if he is actually registered by a competent person scheme, you could ask him, it might be on his paperwork, you could look him up by googling competent person scheme and check to see if he is registered.
If so, you could contact them with you concerns and ask their opinion (they will not give any advice on business activities such as pricing).
You could also go via the Trading Standards route but I think you cant contact them directly anymore so Citizens Advice might be your best bet.
You could also ring your local council and ask to speak to the Building Control department.
The neutrals was already disconnected in two sockets. He picked this up after installing new cu and doing tests at new consumer unit.
He the placed the two neutrals from two boxes on down stairs ring back in and that triple the new rcbo. As they could not go back in offered cost to split to two radials at unit.
The bit what gets me is that he should of knew the earth was 2.5mm on the quote of new cu. As he came to the property so should of knew this on new cu quote.
I am thinking was it in with quote and he is trying it on.
What is fair price to swop a cu ?
The price for this sort of work varies tremendously around the U.K.
and can vary between different installers. it was very rare to find me as the cheapest in a lot of situations. some look cheap for initial works then fair pile it on for extras knowing there would probably be a few, not what i would do but i know many that do
OK. I cannot really be bothered with all arguing with installer of cu.
I take it £440 for consumer unit supply and fit is very reasonable.
Then £100 extra to do earth bonding. It's about 5 meters away.
So be £540 with bonding upgrade
Then £70 to split into radials with 2 x 20 amp
£630 in total for this.
This still sound very reasonable ?
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