Spare a thought for the 'poor' muslims

It's probably because 'our leaders' never touch reality. They don't live, work or socialise in affected areas. Even when they do pop in for a visit, they are heavily protected and such visits are always well choreographed. The odd protester chucking a bit of paint or an egg sometimes gets through but those are exceptions. Let's face it, David Cameron [there are other leaders available!] has no clue about the reality of living in modern-day Britain and, even if he does know or have an inkling, he couldn't give a feck sitting in his cosited world.
 
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I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but you have to ask what sort of collective madness has taken over European governments and the EU, whereby they deliberately destroy their own countries with an influx of highly divisive and dangerous people of a certain religion. This religion is allowed to grow and prosper way above levels that they could achieve themselves without access to Western society and their welfare, money, etc, etc. This noxious sect is allowed to perpetrate crimes without prosecution, and is made to feel that it is a special case - more important than the indigenous people for whom they show nothing but contempt. So unpopular are they, that laws have had to be introduced to slap down anyone who raises legitimate concerns.

Definitely some kind of conspiracy going on with our 'leaders'. It's carried out against the will of most right-thinking people. Whatever the point of it all, there's going to be an ever increasing price to pay. Needless to say, it won't be the people who forced this situation on society who will be doing the paying.
Well said.
I think one reason is that they are scared to death of being accused of 'racism', and our vociferous but naive do-gooders encourage that whenever they can.
The trouble is that the pendulum has swung too far. Far too far.
I wonder how long it will be before white people are seen as the disadvantaged minority. Don't laugh; we already are in parts of London and other large cities.
Will we be seen as a 'special case' and be given protection from prosecution?

I have no doubt that the situation will continue and things will become less egalitarian until something snaps and then there will be real trouble. Enoch was right: rivers of blood.
The powers that be cannot see the severe problems and dangers they are creating.
 
I actually think the BBC do those short stories on purpose to drum up distane from the general public. The BBC is the media arm of the government,

As if. An ex senior BBC executive recently admitted that the BBC represents a particular brand of slightly left of centre holier than thou liberalism. The story was recent, possibly in the Sunday Times, Google and you might find it. The BBC was very keen on the early Blair regime, not so keen on this lot, too right wing for their taste.

As for drumming up disdain from the public, I think they just have a talent for that. Still, I'd rather have Auntie Beeb around than not.
 
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Why? All they do is take, and spread their stone age religion. Oh, and keep our security services at full stretch to stop them cowardly killing us and our women and children.

At this point in time, no ROP in The UK would mean zero terrorism or the the threat of terrorism. Fact. I know what I would rather have.

Most Muslims who come here are appreciative of this country and the freedoms it has given them. The problem is not the religion, but the fact that a lot of immigrants from countries such as Pakistan came from very poor villages, with poor education. I think I am correct in saying that descendants of Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants have the poorest academic performance among all groups.

I lived in Luton in an Asian area for over 2 years. To be honest the local Asians were perfectly pleasant, in fact I'd say that on the whole they were very nice people. The people I did not like dealing with were the poor whites in nearby areas. Most were okay, but there was a nasty thuggish aggressive minority, which was not the case in the Asian areas. I felt safe in poor Asian areas, not so in poor white areas.

I had a similar experience in Slough where I lived for over 5 years. I recall walking along the street and hearing white kids ~10 years old effing and blinding.

As to Islam, I've met lots of Muslims, most are decent ordinary people. There is a serious problem with Muslims being victims of racist attacks. Jews have that problem too.

I happen to think immigration is out of control, and it just breeds resentment among those living here. We had for many years a 'liberal' government suppressing all discussion of immigration. There was also a serious problem of suppressing discussion of problems among immigrants. Those who tried to raise questions were bullied into silence. That is what happened with the (predominantly) Pakistani paedophile rings.And yet these do gooders allowed fruit cake preachers to radicalise Muslims youths in mosques. Some of these countries are vile places, with corrupt regimes, not the heavenly "it's so ethnic darling" places some think.
 
most off the problems are people misrepresenting a religion
any one can claim to be speaking and acting for a religion when in fact they are not and the vast majority would be horrified by there action in the name off

this also applies in politics large organisations groups and the community in general
 
most off the problems are people misrepresenting a religion

Only trouble is, the religious book for a certain religion actually tells it's followers to kill Jews and non-believers. This means that the follwers who don't carry this out are the ones who are out of step with their own religion.

As for misrepresentation, it's strange how it's always the same religion that keeps being misrepresented, time after time.
 
most off the problems are people misrepresenting a religion

Only trouble is, the religious book for a certain religion actually tells it's followers to kill Jews and non-believers. This means that the follwers who don't carry this out are the ones who are out of step with their own religion.

As for misrepresentation, it's strange how it's always the same religion that keeps being misrepresented, time after time.

only the fanatical and evil will read and act on it in that way the vast majority would be horrified at that interperitation
 
Why? All they do is take, and spread their stone age religion. Oh, and keep our security services at full stretch to stop them cowardly killing us and our women and children.

At this point in time, no ROP in The UK would mean zero terrorism or the the threat of terrorism. Fact. I know what I would rather have.

Most Muslims who come here are appreciative of this country and the freedoms it has given them. The problem is not the religion, but the fact that a lot of immigrants from countries such as Pakistan came from very poor villages, with poor education. I think I am correct in saying that descendants of Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants have the poorest academic performance among all groups.

I lived in Luton in an Asian area for over 2 years. To be honest the local Asians were perfectly pleasant, in fact I'd say that on the whole they were very nice people. The people I did not like dealing with were the poor whites in nearby areas. Most were okay, but there was a nasty thuggish aggressive minority, which was not the case in the Asian areas. I felt safe in poor Asian areas, not so in poor white areas.

I had a similar experience in Slough where I lived for over 5 years. I recall walking along the street and hearing white kids ~10 years old effing and blinding.

As to Islam, I've met lots of Muslims, most are decent ordinary people. There is a serious problem with Muslims being victims of racist attacks. Jews have that problem too.

I happen to think immigration is out of control, and it just breeds resentment among those living here. We had for many years a 'liberal' government suppressing all discussion of immigration. There was also a serious problem of suppressing discussion of problems among immigrants. Those who tried to raise questions were bullied into silence. That is what happened with the (predominantly) Pakistani paedophile rings.And yet these do gooders allowed fruit cake preachers to radicalise Muslims youths in mosques. Some of these countries are vile places, with corrupt regimes, not the heavenly "it's so ethnic darling" places some think.

I would agree that numbers are a main part of the problem. There were small pockets of Asians in The UK for decades, working in mill towns, etc. But recently the numbers are getting out of hand, and with this there seems to be a change in the attitude both second and third generations and new arrivals. Talk of ROP becoming the majority in British cities is giving them power that will be abused. Many are disaffected because they do not fit into a westernised, Christian democracy. They then turn to extremeism as a way of rebelling.

As for Jews being persecuted, I think you will find that the ROP will behind a lot of this. In France, the number of Jews leaving doubles every year - strangely the numbers of ROP arriving is accelerating. Charlie Hebdo and the jewish supermarket attack was an extreme example of their anti-Semitism.
 
most off the problems are people misrepresenting a religion

Only trouble is, the religious book for a certain religion actually tells it's followers to kill Jews and non-believers. This means that the follwers who don't carry this out are the ones who are out of step with their own religion.

As for misrepresentation, it's strange how it's always the same religion that keeps being misrepresented, time after time.

only the fanatical and evil will read and act on it in that way the vast majority would be horrified at that interperitation

I think you may be underestimating the threat. Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc, etc don't seem to have the same problem when they go to live in other countries. They don't seem to want to kill their hosts.

If the vast majority find the violent demands of their holy book so abhorrent, I can't understand why they spend so much time studying it.
 
I would agree that numbers are a main part of the problem. There were small pockets of Asians in The UK for decades, working in mill towns, etc. But recently the numbers are getting out of hand, and with this there seems to be a change in the attitude both second and third generations and new arrivals. Talk of ROP becoming the majority in British cities is giving them power that will be abused. Many are disaffected because they do not fit into a westernised, Christian democracy. They then turn to extremeism as a way of rebelling.

As for Jews being persecuted, I think you will find that the ROP will behind a lot of this. In France, the number of Jews leaving doubles every year - strangely the numbers of ROP arriving is accelerating. Charlie Hebdo and the jewish supermarket attack was an extreme example of their anti-Semitism.

I've heard grossly anti-semitic views from one British Muslim, that Hitler had not gone far enough. There is a general antipathy to Jews, due presumably to Israel, and what Arabs (rightly in my view) see as an injustice to Arabs living in what was the Mandate of Palestine. Sadly our bumbling in the Middle East does tend to alienate Muslims. I can see why.

I am not convinced numbers arriving are massive. The big influx is over. Numbers of East Europeans are far higher. Too high in my view.

I tend to think there is not a problem with mainstream ordinary Muslims, but we have let the extremists seize the agenda, and turned a blind eye. Bear in mind that those who commit terrorist acts are usually young, uneducated, and poor i.e. losers. If we turn against UK Muslims that will just make things worse, making them turn inwards. We have to integrate them. I guess the way to do that is to improve community relations to the extent that they turn in 'their own' nutters. Ordinary Muslims do seem to largely accept western ways. It's the young who are gullible. They see Western aggression in Iraq, and Israel, and turn against Western values. Many who go to Syria are said to want to return after discovering the reality.
By all accounts many older Muslims are shocked when they young go to Syria or worse.
 
If the vast majority find the violent demands of their holy book so abhorrent, I can't understand why they spend so much time studying it.

The Old Testament is a pretty violent book. An awful lot of smiting takes place. And yet the Church of England is a pretty laid back sect, I've heard belief in God is seen as a bit extreme these days. :)

By the way, Sikhs do get involved in violence, and so do Buddhists. Jews tend to have much higher education levels. There is often intercommunal violence in India. Look how many died when India was partitioned, a million or so. Muslims were slaughtered as they fled. Look at the slaughter in Yugoslavia when it broke up. Weren't Muslims in Bosnia slaughtered by Christians? The truth is that too many large diverse groups can create tension. Enoch Powell, for all his wrongs, did worry that large scale immigration from India would bring ethnic conflict to this country from India. He lived through partition, and had seen mass murder.
 
I've heard grossly anti-semitic views from one British Muslim, that Hitler had not gone far enough. There is a general antipathy to Jews, due presumably to Israel, and what Arabs (rightly in my view) see as an injustice to Arabs living in what was the Mandate of Palestine.

Yep Palestine is mentioned in the bible,,, as is Israel,, So what's your problem with Israel? It's mentioned in historical documents, so it must have existed at some point in the past, therefore it has just as much right to exist today.
 
I've heard grossly anti-semitic views from one British Muslim, that Hitler had not gone far enough. There is a general antipathy to Jews, due presumably to Israel, and what Arabs (rightly in my view) see as an injustice to Arabs living in what was the Mandate of Palestine. Sadly our bumbling in the Middle East does tend to alienate Muslims. I can see why.

We seem to be straying into another topic which has, incidentally, been discussed on here before. Personally, I'm in favour of the creation of the state of Israel. Why shouldn't the Jews have a homeland of their own, and isn't the land now called Israel historically their homeland?
Moreover, it is surrounded on all sides by muslim countries who would dearly like to see the Jews kicked out into the sea, as if they don't have enough space in their own, overwhelmingly larger, territories.

If we turn against UK Muslims that will just make things worse, making them turn inwards. We have to integrate them. I guess the way to do that is to improve community relations to the extent that they turn in 'their own' nutters.
For how many years have they had the opportunity to integrate? And WE have to integrate THEM?
It seems to me that they would like US to integrate with THEM! Why should we?
As someone wrote earlier, laws have been changed to accommodate them and their demands. Have we made similar concessions for other religions who, incidentally, manage to live in this country without making the demands that muslims do?
Personally, I'm sick and tired of hearing apologists telling me that everything is all our fault.
 
laws evolve all the the time not to accommodate" them" but "us " as the British people

if you go to spain cypress or other places Brits move to to live yes some will intigrate but lots wont they will congregate where they serve English breakfast and Sunday lunches in "English" pubs
its quite natural especially if there's tension because off local or national problems that in general will often be blamed on the nearest minority often least able to defend them selves
 
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